WordWolf

I was between the conspiracies. I was out long before Y2K and before the claims about the Pope's supposed aircraft carrier, and was not in back when the Commies were the threat. http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...ic=8336&hl= http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...ic=8380&hl= http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...c=17540&hl= http://www.greasespotcafe.com/main2/waydal...-followers.html http://www.greasespotcafe.com/main2/waydal...ft-carrier.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_hell_in_a_handbasket ""Going to Hell in a handbasket" or "Going to hell in a handcart" is an English alliterative phrase of unclear origin, which describes a situation headed for disaster without effort or in great haste."

As we've seen here, vpw liked to make a big deal over military personnel in twi, suggest he actually knew something about the military (and supposedly based the corps on the military, despite there being little resemblance between the two), and so on. If vpw really had wanted to make a major production, it would probably have used a military model. As we've also seen, the education lcm received was as a football player, a student of Psychology (who apparently retained little, since he described someone having some sort of psychiatric episode as "gooney-bird"), and whatever he picked up in twi. lcm's "contributions" kept involving athletics and exercise. (His photo in "the way:living in love" shows him leading students on a run...) lcm also insisted on inserting himself everywhere (including High Country Caravan.) Although there is educational television, the only real time he encouraged TV viewing on-grounds was during the Olympics. (Someone told me he had a setup in place to display the games during one Olympics.) Knowing all this, it's obvious lcm would insert athletics into the Bible, and himself as the center of attention when he did that. It's just what he did.

I was thinking of the open tryouts. I watch those for the schadenfreude. The vast majority of the people they have to reject have no idea they can't dance. So, someone stumbling around the stage "like a ruptured chimpanzee" would fit in the tryouts. I wasn't thinking of anyone who moves on in the show past the cattle-call. That's interesting, considering he did a 2-part taped teaching at one point to try to insert the athletic terminology into Ephesians 6.

No.

Always a pleasure, Paw! Many happy ones.

It is not.

"Sounds like Wolf 359 all over again." "Home, I want to go home!" "And you will, as soon as this is over I promise I will take you back to Deep Space 9." "No, not the station." "Why are you helping us?" "Because no Changeling has ever harmed another." "He was literally speechless -- a rare event." "I remember wanting to invent charges of treason against him just so I didn't have to hear his voice again." "You would've done it, too, if I hadn't held you back. You had quite a vicious streak in those days." "I learned from the best." "No, no. You had a gift. I never met anyone else who relished a good interrogation as much as you did. Do you remember getting that confession out of Doctor Parmak?" "I never even touched him." "That was the beauty of it. You just sat there for -- what, three hours?" "Four." "And after four hours of watching you stare at him... he confessed." "I was good, wasn't I?" "You were brilliant. Afterwards, he just kept saying...'His eyes... his eyes...' " "No wonder the Romulans haven't conquered the galaxy. No one can stomach their cuisine." "We can still defend ourselves. I didn't damage any of the ship's weapon systems or the engines. But without the cloak, we'll have to return to DS Nine." "This has nothing to do with my "friends" or my "feelings." I simply don't believe he has the information you want." "Talk to me, Odo... tell me something -- anything! Lie if you have to! But say it -- now. Please."

Between the various threads, yes. I didn't quote every interesting post, so I do recommend reading the original threads. (Just follow the arrows back to the threads.) In fairness, the other people were the ones who were insiders at the time, had gotten to know lcm, and could speak on the day-to-day stuff. My analysis is after-the-fact. I do more in terms of COLLECTING THEIR INFORMATION and connecting the dots after they report in, than I do reporting what I saw. I wasn't in long enough for many insider experiences. (Although I do remember AOS fairly well.) Back then, I was young and foolish, and didn't think lcm was on a total ego trip in AOS. (I DID think the production made a number of mistakes in practice- mainly in the arbitrary elevation of the minister, and the mismatching forces, leaving out angels and putting us vs devils instead of vs humans serving the devil-those were reserved for the minister who was improperly elevated. Little did I know that was only the tip of the iceberg.) "Gunnysack" was something ckeer said-I just quoted the post. I don't think I have the knack of really making this as funny as it can be. (Then again, I DID do threads on the twi Drinking Game and twi Mad Libs, which probably earn me "honorable mention.")

That was what the narration said-it was pretty clear, and gave the twi doctrine on that-complete with the permanent evil connection. (The narration's explanation, BTW, was the weakest one I ever heard in twi.) "Dancing With the Stars" would imply he was ever a star. "So You Think You Can Dance?" is more his speed.

No, it is not.

Let's see, a few of the previous posts about this....

"Sounds like Wolf 359 all over again." "Home, I want to go home!" "And you will, as soon as this is over I promise I will take you back to Deep Space 9." "No, not the station." "Why are you helping us?" "Because no Changeling has ever harmed another." "He was literally speechless -- a rare event." "I remember wanting to invent charges of treason against him just so I didn't have to hear his voice again." "You would've done it, too, if I hadn't held you back. You had quite a vicious streak in those days." "I learned from the best." "No, no. You had a gift. I never met anyone else who relished a good interrogation as much as you did. Do you remember getting that confession out of Doctor Parmak?" "I never even touched him." "That was the beauty of it. You just sat there for -- what, three hours?" "Four." "And after four hours of watching you stare at him... he confessed." "I was good, wasn't I?" "You were brilliant. Afterwards, he just kept saying...'His eyes... his eyes...' " "No wonder the Romulans haven't conquered the galaxy. No one can stomach their cuisine." "We can still defend ourselves. I didn't damage any of the ship's weapon systems or the engines. But without the cloak, we'll have to return to DS Nine."

The names aside, you're on the right track....

For the curious, Snopes has a warning about this: http://www.snopes.com/computer/virus/ups.asp I imagine a number of other sites do as well.

I'm confident that the concept was in effect by the "zero corps", when vpw dismissed all the applicants. Our information about why they were dismissed after a few weeks of program is completely absent, so specifics are speculation. However, vpw himself dismissed a later corps without warning, and kicked them all out. Then he said they could re-enter, if they declared their loyalty to him. (It's in lcm's book, 'vp and me'.) vpw never hesitated to kick anyone out if they didn't do whatever he wanted. He also kicked out a guy from the corps for not taking notes when he talked- as if that was a rule anyplace. (lcm himself, again, documented it in "vp and me.") http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.php?showtopic=8019 http://www.greasespotcafe.com/main2/waydal.../vp-and-me.html

That's it- to do otherwise is to deal DIShonestly with twi. Some people are more COMFORTABLE to be deceptive, to lie to themselves, in order to feel COMFORTABLE.

He was taught-by vpw- that whatever the person in charge of twi decided, that was "of God" and to declare it, and people had to conform. He was also taught that looking back and trying to improve things after something didn't work was "wrong"- he was supposed to "keep moving forward" with "no regrets".

If you view it more as someone returning to an abusive relationship, does it seem to make a little more sense?

Everything from "Do you know" was from me discussing 'the Leaven Principle' and 'the leaven of twi.' (I can't find the origin of the first 2 sentences.) and

"Sounds like Wolf 359 all over again." "Home, I want to go home!" "And you will, as soon as this is over I promise I will take you back to Deep Space 9." "No, not the station." "Why are you helping us?" "Because no Changeling has ever harmed another." "He was literally speechless -- a rare event." "I remember wanting to invent charges of treason against him just so I didn't have to hear his voice again." "You would've done it, too, if I hadn't held you back. You had quite a vicious streak in those days." "I learned from the best." "No, no. You had a gift. I never met anyone else who relished a good interrogation as much as you did. Do you remember getting that confession out of Doctor Parmak?" "I never even touched him." "That was the beauty of it. You just sat there for -- what, three hours?" "Four." "And after four hours of watching you stare at him... he confessed." "I was good, wasn't I?" "You were brilliant. Afterwards, he just kept saying...'His eyes... his eyes...' "

http://www.recovery-man.com/abusive/abusive_signs.htm You may be in an abusive relationship if he or she: = Is jealous or possessive toward you. (Jealousy is the primary symptom of abusive relationships; it is also a core component of Sexual Addictions and Love Addiction.) = Tries to control you by being very bossy or demanding. = Tries to isolate you by demanding you cut off social contacts and friendships. = Is violent and / or loses his or her temper quickly. = Pressures you sexually, demands sexual activities you are not comfortable with. = Abuses drugs or alcohol. = Claims you are responsible for his or her emotional state. (This is a core diagnostic criteria for Codependency.) = Blames you when he or she mistreats you. = Has a history of bad relationships. = Your family and friends have warned you about the person or told you that they are concerned for your physical or emotional well being. = You frequently worry about how he or she will react to things you say or do. = Makes "jokes" that shame, humiliate, demean or embarrass you, weather privately or around family and friends. = Your partner grew up witnessing an abusive parental relationship, and/or was abused as a child. = Your partner "rages" when they feel hurt, shame, fear or loss of control. = Both parties in abusive relationships may develop or progress in drug or alcohol dependence in a (dysfunctional) attempt to cope with the pain. = You leave and then return to your partner repeatedly, against the advice of your friends, family and loved ones. = You have trouble ending the relationship, even though you know inside it's the right thing to do. Does the person you love... • constantly keep track of your time? • act jealous and possessive? • accuse you of being unfaithful or flirting? • discourage your relationships with friends and family? • prevent or discourage you from working, interacting with friends or attending school? • constantly criticize or belittle you? • control all finances and force you to account for what you spend? (Reasonable cooperative budgeting excepted.) • humiliate you in front of others? (Including "jokes" at your expense.) • destroy or take your personal property or sentimental items? • have affairs? • threaten to hurt you, your children or pets? Threaten to use a weapon? • push, hit, slap, punch, kick, or bite you or your children? • force you to have sex against your will, or demand sexual acts you are uncomfortable with? ================== http://www.stanford.edu/group/svab/relationships.shtml What is Relationship Abuse? 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It is always a choice to be abusive. ============ * Understanding relationship abuse can help you know if you or someone you know is a victim of relationship abuse - male or female. Relationship abuse is a pattern of abusive and coercive behaviors used to maintain power and control over a former or current intimate partner. An abusive relationship means more than being hit by the person who claims to love or care about you. Many survivors find that emotional abuse is difficult to name or even talk about. They often wonder if it is serious because it isn't visible, like bruises or broken bones. Emotionally abused survivors state that one of the biggest problems they face is that others seldom take it seriously. Signs of abuse can be difficult to recognize, especially from within a relationship. Friends, family members, and colleagues may often be the first to notice signs of being in a controlling and abusive relationship. Abusive relationships rarely start with physical violence and incorporate numerous methods of one person exerting power and control over another. This diagram exhibits some of the common ways that abusers control their victims and why abuse can be so much more than physical or sexual violence. "Why is my friend still in an unhealthy relationship? Why don't they leave?" The reality is that there are many barriers to finding safety from an abusive relationship. Leaving can sometimes be dangerous and there are many factors that an abusive partner can use to keep the victim from leaving the relationship. Understanding these issues can better assist someone to help a victim out of an abusive relationship.

That's what I was thinking. I think it's MORE dysfunctional. People who enjoy being tied up and whipped know they have options on who ties them up and whips them. They can find someone else to handle that if the current person isn't working out. And the thing they're always mentioning when they speak on the subject is that it involves TRUST and consent. twi is NOT conducive to cultivating TRUST. ===================== One comedienne had trouble with a shower that went from HOT water to COLD water without warning while the controls weren't touched. She kept trying to adjust the water to stop that, and she said she eventually began to feel like she'd been through an abusive relationship- "I can control you, you're hurting me, I can control you, you're hurting me..." ==============