WordWolf

"Do unto others-then run." "Relax. Do you understand 'relax'?" "Yes-a little piece of dark chocolate." "'Omelet', ja, to be, or not to be, that is the question!" "And this is the answer! *smack* Dumbkopf!" "After the meal, you will want an after-dinner mint. You will need an after-dinner 'mint' to pay for the bill! But ve, of course, haff conquered inflation. Just as ve conquered Poland. And Czechoslovakia..." "No, I'm wearing black for my poor, departed husband." "Oh... how long's he been gone? " "Ten minutes. He won't be back till 1." "Drink and sex. That's what killed your uncle - drink and sex!" "Yeah. He couldn't get either, so he shot himself." "With the way you treat me, people would think I was the cook here." "Not if they came to dinner." "How do women get ahold of your Lotharios?" "Not as often as I'd like..." "Hello? Brown Owl here. No, not brown ale, Brown Owl. Is that the Black Fox? Is that YOU, BF? Yes, well this is...BO. Of course I know Moscow. It's where the Kremlin lives." "Dagger? Oh, he poisoned her. Well, when you said he 'gave her arsenic', I thought..." "How did you choose him?" "I chose him because he represents the youth of Great Britain." "How old is he?" "58. He's a late developer." "He looks older." "Well, he worries a lot." "That's because I'm using Fairly Liquid. It contains lemon juice." "Lemon juice?" "Yes, lemon juice. That's what gives it its nice sparkle." "Sparkle?" "Yes, sparkle. That's what makes everything all lovely and fresh." "Fresh?" "Yes, fresh. Are you bloody STUPID or something???" "I think for me, the most memorable moment in films was when you played the doctor to that sick family." "'Inherit the Wind." Yes, I remember." "Opposite Margaret Lockwood's nurse . . ." "That's right. Yes, I know what you're going to say, the scene in the operating theatre." "That's the scene. You kissed her when she least expected it." "I beg your pardon?" "You kissed her when she least expected it." "Oh, I thought you said 'where'. " "What about him? He makes an Egg Foo Young, it's not 'egg', it's not 'young', it's just 'foo'!" "He should have put more men on the job!" "Then he marry sixteen wives." "Sixteen?" "Yes-four richer, four poorer, four better, and four worse!" "I thought she was talking about her boyfriend." "She no have time for boyfriend-she too busy getting hold of the Husbands." "How many husbands are there?" "Six." "Six?" "One of the Husbands is a girl." "One of the husbands is a girl?" "Yes. That's Murray Husband. Then there is, uh, Donny Husband.... and little Jimmy Husband, who sing 'I'm a Rong-Haired Rover from Riverpool'." "How is the old reverend gentleman?" "He's a Canon now." "Wow. My Daddy, a Canon. Well I'll be a son-of-a-gun!" "You've been at 'the front', fighting for peace." "Now I'm home, now I want a piece of what I was fighting for!" "Listen to this: *reads aloud* Define the following words: 'relax'- 'a piece of dark chocolate' lagoon- 'a French idiot' 'macadam'- 'the first Scotsman' 'What is a sausage?' 'A hamburger in tights'???"

We don't know THEY aren't done with lcm. This guy, "Stanley", HE's not done with lcm. I forget whether or not he's one of the people who heard lcm admitted to wrongdoing in a court of law and still refuses to accept the word of lcm on his own conduct.

As J1m D00p wrote concerning when vpw asked him.... ""As we relaxed and had a second drink, he asked Judy and me to describe what it was like to attend an orgy. We were taken back by the question and embarassed by it, because even though it was part of our testimony in our deliverance from sin to God's righteousness, no one had ever asked us to describe what it was like to go to an orgy. We found his curiousity shocking. But we gave him a brief description which is really all we could give him since our encounter with an orgy had been so brief. We had attended one orgy sponsored by the San Francisco Sexual Freedom League, but we were so overwhelmed by the spectacle that we had left after twenty minutes. 'You know that's all available," V.P. said. 'God put it in I Corinthians 7:1 which He said "It is good for a man not to touch a woman." If it wasn't available to have sex outside the marriage God would have said "best" instead of "good". I could not believe what I was hearing. I responded with 'I just thank God that He pulled our souls out of that pit of debauchery.' When Judy and I went to bed, I said to her, 'I don't believe what he said tonight, and I'm going to forget it. I must have misunderstood him.' " Sunesis, was it you I was quoting, who was friends with D00p and was told, by him.. "Weirwille flew out there, telling folks it was to talk with Jim about the Bible and witness or something to him. Jim told me Weirwille flew out there to LEARN from Jimmy about the free sex thinking. Weirwille said he always believed sex should be free and allowed with as many as you feel you want to be with -- but could NEVER prove it from the Bible. He was there to see if Jimmy could prove it was okay via scripture. D0*p never really could and was more of a hippie minister than a sexual pervert looking for Biblical validation."

Whenever I see someone using the twi-speak words like "churchianity", I suspect there's going to be some shallow logic in part of the discussion. "Churchianity" is meant to refer to "all Christians except twi" or occasionally "all Christians except twi-style". This supposed "Churchianity" is where vpw got Bullinger's info (Bullinger was connected with churches and Christian organizations for his adult life), Stiles' info (the book, and meeting him at that conference), and Leonard's info (Leonard was training Christians who could go back to their congregations and serve wherever they and God deemed necessary and proper). Without "churchianity", vpw would have found no Bullinger, no Stiles, no Leonard. Without them, all vpw had was the "law" of believing -which is seen in the REST of the Word-Faith movement as well, since they all ripped off Kenyon- and Lamsa's Aramaic stuff, most of which has been shown as quaint cottage ideas and errors ('stories' or 'fairytales'). That would have been about 1 session's worth of pfal if it was done, or 2 sessions if he stretched the material with a lot of jokes. I believe Christians as a whole contributed to the Bible's knowledge and application than ALL the twi people together,which probably isn't what you MEANT, but it is what you said... Weren't there when he drugged and raped young, barely-legal females, either, I take it. "affairs" is a euphemism, and an extreme one. It's like calling what Jeffrey Dahmer did "an odd diet." So, were vpw's felonies acceptable because "the class ran"?No need to answer, your posts have already suggested they WERE... And people killing children by putting them through the fire to offer to Molech, or taking money to curse God's people, or using one's authority as God's leader to abuse the women. (There IS nothing new under the sun.) Just because it's in the Bible doesn't mean it's approved of, and just because it's in the Bible doesn't make it an "unusual doctrine" (like incorruptible seed, sons of God, etc.) Finally, the fellowship/sonship thing was largely inflated from an interesting footnote to a significant point in pfal. As for dispensationalism, a lot of Christians are not convinced it's in Scripture (possibily because there are none named IN Scripture, so if they exist, they're not that important.)

There's a congregation of Charismatic Christian werewolves in Brazil???

You have the right series, and one of the characters. If you review the first three quotes, you may get the episode.....

"Do unto others-then run." "Relax. Do you understand 'relax'?" "Yes-a little piece of dark chocolate." "'Omelet', ja, to be, or not to be, that is the question!" "And this is the answer! *smack* Dumbkopf!" "After the meal, you will want an after-dinner mint. You will need an after-dinner 'mint' to pay for the bill! But ve, of course, haff conquered inflation. Just as ve conquered Poland. And Czechoslovakia..." "No, I'm wearing black for my poor, departed husband." "Oh... how long's he been gone? " "Ten minutes. He won't be back till 1." "Drink and sex. That's what killed your uncle - drink and sex!" "Yeah. He couldn't get either, so he shot himself." "With the way you treat me, people would think I was the cook here." "Not if they came to dinner." "How do women get ahold of your Lotharios?" "Not as often as I'd like..." "Hello? Brown Owl here. No, not brown ale, Brown Owl. Is that the Black Fox? Is that YOU, BF? Yes, well this is...BO. Of course I know Moscow. It's where the Kremlin lives." "Dagger? Oh, he poisoned her. Well, when you said he 'gave her arsenic', I thought..." "How did you choose him?" "I chose him because he represents the youth of Great Britain." "How old is he?" "58. He's a late developer." "He looks older." "Well, he worries a lot." "That's because I'm using Fairly Liquid. It contains lemon juice." "Lemon juice?" "Yes, lemon juice. That's what gives it its nice sparkle." "Sparkle?" "Yes, sparkle. That's what makes everything all lovely and fresh." "Fresh?" "Yes, fresh. Are you bloody STUPID or something???" "I think for me, the most memorable moment in films was when you played the doctor to that sick family." "'Inherit the Wind." Yes, I remember." "Opposite Margaret Lockwood's nurse . . ." "That's right. Yes, I know what you're going to say, the scene in the operating theatre." "That's the scene. You kissed her when she least expected it." "I beg your pardon?" "You kissed her when she least expected it." "Oh, I thought you said 'where'. " "What about him? He makes an Egg Foo Young, it's not 'egg', it's not 'young', it's just 'foo'!" "He should have put more men on the job!" "Then he marry sixteen wives." "Sixteen?" "Yes-four richer, four poorer, four better, and four worse!" "I thought she was talking about her boyfriend." "She no have time for boyfriend-she too busy getting hold of the Husbands." "How many husbands are there?" "Six." "Six?" "One of the Husbands is a girl." "One of the husbands is a girl?" "Yes. That's Murray Husband. Then there is, uh, Donny Husband.... and little Jimmy Husband, who sing 'I'm a Rong-Haired Rover from Riverpool'."

Baby boomers generally have more CASH than the youths.

" The entire point of something like this is to hand-make it. Just as you have used Old England in a hobby of your own." "Look at all of the detail... and everything here has some significance?" "He purchased this in a pawn shop in Tottenham Court Road for fifty-five shillings, which he considered a very good investment." "To feel the thrill of a victory...there must be the possibility of failure. Where's the victory winning a battle you can't possibly lose?" "Like the spider, I feel the strings vibrate whenever anyone new chances into my web." "I have read her expressions -- what she has not said is as important as her words..." "Does he have life? He's a machine -- but is that all he is?" "No. He is more." "Exactly. Is the definition of life 'cogito ergo sum'? I think, therefore I am?" "That's one possible definition." "It is the most important one and for me..the only one that matters."

Seems to me that home churches are the obvious approach for vpw to use. He never believed in spending a single penny on people that couldn't be done without. If they met in living rooms, the group didn't have to pay for facilities. Mind you, setting up permanent church facilities in areas would have benefitted the Christians locally, and could have increased outreach, and served the community. However, that wasn't a good tradeoff for not getting money in his hands, as vpw saw it. Although he WAS fine with buying houses in areas, which generated income (rent) besides serving as pseudo church facilities.

It would help if you named specific doctrines, and asked about their origins. In the case of the non-Trinity stuff, it's been stated before that vpw BEGAN as a Trinitarian (there's old documents somewhere, which I've seen, where vpw sent a letter somewhere and his greeting included a reference to the Trinity. That was back when he was toying with the Ecumenical movement (possibly trolling them for recruits, possibly for other reasons.) If you want to look specifically for his Trinity positions, I'd recommend looking at discussions of Leonard's specific doctrines. Leonard's made some statements that are NOT Trinitarian, and I THINK they were in his book subtitled "the water in the bottle." Someone more familiar with Leonard will have to chime in here. (Or you can dig up the old posts on it.) vpw was introduced to Leonard's stuff sometime before 1953, and in 1953 he attended BG's class, which became "vpw's class" a few months later. vpw was quite good at passing along material from others without necessarily understanding it, so just because vpw got his specific beliefs from Leonard doesn't guarantee they were an ACCURATE reflection of Leonard. vpw's been known to flub Bullinger as well. As for vpw secretly saying God was ok with orgies, that was history as of when he went to Haight-Ashbury to the House of Acts to hijack the hippies. He told J1m D00p that at the time. ======== As for WHY twi adopted non-traditional doctrines, it's my opinion that this was one of vpw's PRIMARY approaches. Even Mrs W's accounts of twi (in her book, "Born Again to Serve") showed him trying to work with young people (as does Uncle Harry's account in TW:LiL.) He specifically TARGETTED the youths from the beginning of his career. Do you attract them by sticking to tradition? NO- if you want to maximize NUMBERS and NUMBERS matter most to you, you will look for something NEW and DIFFERENT, something shiny, to try to draw them. The natural rebellious streak will make it more likely they'll give your group a second look. If you look at ALL the sources vpw used, it's pretty obvious that the only thing he used that was standard was Young's Concordance, and everything else was taken from sources as OBSCURE as possible, or DIFFERENT as possible. "Look, I have something you've never heard before! I got it directly from God, who promised it's the first time for 2000 years Christians have heard it! This is the secret "original Christian" stuff! You can't get it anywhere else, because they don't have my special connection with God Almighty!"

It is. You probably haven't seen it recently. It is not.

(Come on, I know some of you know this episode, it's not obscure....) " The entire point of something like this is to hand-make it. Just as you have used Old England in a hobby of your own." "Look at all of the detail... and everything here has some significance?" "He purchased this in a pawn shop in Tottenham Court Road for fifty-five shillings, which he considered a very good investment." "To feel the thrill of a victory...there must be the possibility of failure. Where's the victory winning a battle you can't possibly lose?" "Like the spider, I feel the strings vibrate whenever anyone new chances into my web." "I have read her expressions -- what she has not said is as important as her words..."

"Do unto others-then run." "Relax. Do you understand 'relax'?" "Yes-a little piece of dark chocolate." "'Omelet', ja, to be, or not to be, that is the question!" "And this is the answer! *smack* Dumbkopf!" "After the meal, you will want an after-dinner mint. You will need an after-dinner 'mint' to pay for the bill! But ve, of course, haff conquered inflation. Just as ve conquered Poland. And Czechoslovakia..." "No, I'm wearing black for my poor, departed husband." "Oh... how long's he been gone? " "Ten minutes. He won't be back till 1." "Drink and sex. That's what killed your uncle - drink and sex!" "Yeah. He couldn't get either, so he shot himself." "With the way you treat me, people would think I was the cook here." "Not if they came to dinner." "How do women get ahold of your Lotharios?" "Not as often as I'd like..." "Hello? Brown Owl here. No, not brown ale, Brown Owl. Is that the Black Fox? Is that YOU, BF? Yes, well this is...BO. Of course I know Moscow. It's where the Kremlin lives." "Dagger? Oh, he poisoned her. Well, when you said he 'gave her arsenic', I thought..." "How did you choose him?" "I chose him because he represents the youth of Great Britain." "How old is he?" "58. He's a late developer." "He looks older." "Well, he worries a lot." "That's because I'm using Fairly Liquid. It contains lemon juice." "Lemon juice?" "Yes, lemon juice. That's what gives it its nice sparkle." "Sparkle?" "Yes, sparkle. That's what makes everything all lovely and fresh." "Fresh?" "Yes, fresh. Are you bloody STUPID or something???" "I think for me, the most memorable moment in films was when you played the doctor to that sick family." "'Inherit the Wind." Yes, I remember." "Opposite Margaret Lockwood's nurse . . ." "That's right. Yes, I know what you're going to say, the scene in the operating theatre." "That's the scene. You kissed her when she least expected it." "I beg your pardon?" "You kissed her when she least expected it." "Oh, I thought you said 'where'. " "What about him? He makes an Egg Foo Young, it's not 'egg', it's not 'young', it's just 'foo'!" "He should have put more men on the job!"

Short for the band name "Pressed Down, Shaken Together and Running Over". It was one of the "earlier" bands, that is, before Acts 29, mostly. IIRC, the song "Body, Soul and Spirit" was theirs and later covered by other bands.

True. Large numbers of detainees are admitted to have lost their lives as the result of being detained in that place and time. Compare that to ANY prison in the US in the 20th century. Someone will drop dead eventually, but LARGE NUMBERS? Typhus isn't exactly a common disease, either. Admitting large numbers of people died- but the METHOD of death seems to be obscured. "They weren't executed-they died of gross neglect." I also note that all the known executions at the OTHER sites isn't being challenged- it's as if the Holocaust denier he's quoting only knows the most FAMOUS site. I never sat down to study their names, for example, and even I can rattle off the name Dachau as well. Then again, Dachau was a "concentration camp" (designated specifically for imprisonment), and Auschwitz was an "extermination camp/death camp" (designated specifically for mass executions of prisoners), and neither was a "forced labour camp" (designated specifically to employ prisoners as workers). Any of them COULD kill you, but extermination camps had that as their PRIMARY purpose. The exact numbers of prisoners and executions in Auschwitz-Berkenau (aka "Auschwitz) cannot be reached precisely due to lack of the original records. (Tinfoil hats, naturally, will say the Allies had the records and destroyed them.) However, there's been different estimates using different figures, and the numbers given by that commandant were only one set, with one derivation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz_concentration_camp "The exact number of victims at Auschwitz is impossible to fix with certainty. Since Germans destroyed a number of records, immediate efforts to count the dead depended on the testimony of witnesses and the defendants on trial at Nuremberg. While under interrogation Rudolf Höß, commandant of Auschwitz concentration camp from 1940 to 1943, said that two and a half million Jews had been killed in gas chambers and about half a million died "naturally". Later he wrote "I regard two and a half million far too high. Even Auschwitz had limits to its destructive possibilities". The Auschwitz Death Book, recently uncovered in Soviet archives, is an example of logged records (pertaining only to registered inmates), but other examples of collected figures are scarce. Communist Soviet and Polish authorities maintained a figure "between 2.5 and 4 million". The figure "4,000,000" was used on the original Auschwitz memorial plaques. The plaques did not specify the ethnicities of victims. In 1983 , French scholar George Wellers was one of the first to use German data on deportations to estimate the number killed at Auschwitz, arriving at 1.613 million dead, including 1.44 million Jews and 146,000 Catholic Poles. A larger study started around the same time by Franciszek Piper used time tables of train arrivals combined with deportation records to calculate 1.1 million Jewish deaths and 140,000-150,000 ethnic Polish victims, along with 23,000 Roma & Sinti (Gypsies). This number has met with "significant, though not complete" agreement among scholars." Of course, those are just the figures for Auschwitz-Birkenau, and not ALL the death-camps.

Now that you mentioned it, vpw wore one of those ugly things for the CFS class. For the first several minutes, I couldn't hear him over such a loud outfit. Every other class, there was a suit and tie on the teacher, but this one, his idea of casual-wear. I was told it was because he wanted people to relax for that class. However, it was a significant distraction for me.

I've mentioned it before. The HOMILETICIST had no problems using imaginary people in his lessons, like the 2 men whom everyone hated who sat in a room and just believed, and reality shuffled to accomodate them, and the mother whose fear reached out and forced a driver to crash into and kill her son. Similarly, we never heard of him reaching out to that supposed drunk again, either to fix what he did wrong, or otherwise make an effort to reach him. All his effort was from the podium when teaching. Then again, it's possible that there was a real person, but his ability to care about him left once the man walked away. After all, vpw demonstrated beyond a reasonable doubt that people were DISPOSABLE to him at other times, in other places. It's possible he just didn't CARE to make an effort to reach him once he walked out. A human being's value lay only in his presence as an object lesson, unless he was giving money to his church.

The LDS I've run into either don't have any interest in it, or were excellent liars who said they had no interest in it. The offshoots that practice it, of course, have to exercise running off most of the men, in order to create the artificial husband shortage necessary to make polygyny look practical. I caught that on television when they showed something on one of these groups once. They were showing how it happened without actually coming out and saying this was the reason men were being run off, IIRC.

" The entire point of something like this is to hand-make it. Just as you have used Old England in a hobby of your own." "Look at all of the detail... and everything here has some significance?" "He purchased this in a pawn shop in Tottenham Court Road for fifty-five shillings, which he considered a very good investment." "To feel the thrill of a victory...there must be the possibility of failure. Where's the victory winning a battle you can't possibly lose?"

"Do unto others-then run." "Relax. Do you understand 'relax'?" "Yes-a little piece of dark chocolate." "'Omelet', ja, to be, or not to be, that is the question!" "And this is the answer! *smack* Dumbkopf!" "After the meal, you will want an after-dinner mint. You will need an after-dinner 'mint' to pay for the bill! But ve, of course, haff conquered inflation. Just as ve conquered Poland. And Czechoslovakia..." "No, I'm wearing black for my poor, departed husband." "Oh... how long's he been gone? " "Ten minutes. He won't be back till 1." "Drink and sex. That's what killed your uncle - drink and sex!" "Yeah. He couldn't get either, so he shot himself." "With the way you treat me, people would think I was the cook here." "Not if they came to dinner." "How do women get ahold of your Lotharios?" "Not as often as I'd like..." "Hello? Brown Owl here. No, not brown ale, Brown Owl. Is that the Black Fox? Is that YOU, BF? Yes, well this is...BO. Of course I know Moscow. It's where the Kremlin lives." "Dagger? Oh, he poisoned her. Well, when you said he 'gave her arsenic', I thought..." "How did you choose him?" "I chose him because he represents the youth of Great Britain." "How old is he?" "58. He's a late developer." "He looks older." "Well, he worries a lot." "That's because I'm using Fairly Liquid. It contains lemon juice." "Lemon juice?" "Yes, lemon juice. That's what gives it its nice sparkle." "Sparkle?" "Yes, sparkle. That's what makes everything all lovely and fresh." "Fresh?" "Yes, fresh. Are you bloody STUPID or something???"

That is the song. The artist would either be Red Rider, or Tom Cochrane. Never really looked at the lyrics before. They seem very much like the GSC. "Lunatic fringe I know you're out there You're in hiding And you hold your meetings We can hear you coming We know what you're after We're wise to you this time We won't let you kill the laughter. Lunatic fringe In the twilight's last gleaming This is open season But you won't get too far We know you've got to blame someone For your own confusion But we're on guard this time Against your final solution We can hear you coming (We can hear you coming) No you're not going to win this time We can hear the footsteps (We can hear the footsteps) Way out along the walkway Lunatic fringe We know you're out there But in these new dark ages There will still be light An eye for an eye; Well before you go under... Can you feel the resistance? Can you feel the thunder?" Your turn, Tom! (The whistle-things I'm thinking of are at the very beginning of the song.)

Personally, I consider 2 inventions to date to have been enormous boons to Christians. A) the printing press. The printing press allowed Christians to own their own Bibles, and to exchange some information. A Christian can read the books of others and increase learning, or write one of his own. B) the internet. The internet (including email, IM, chat) allows for rapid and convenient exchange of ideas and interaction between Christian and Christian. Christians can post entire studies, and discuss subjects, and so on. That's just discussing the Christian aspects of it....

Notice how "About Us" says nothing about "us"? "This website is dedicated to giving a fair-and-balanced, comprehensive overview of the publications, books, and beliefs of "The Way International"." That's it. Interesting how that says why there's a website, but leaves who "us" are a complete mystery. Contact info: a screen-name, and a yahoo email address. (Plus a snail-mail address, which is interesting.) I wonder if ALL their books-they-won't-sell will get the 5/6 stars rating. And what the scale supposedly MEANS. And what is a "comprehensive overview"? An extensive brief look?

Those were sirens? I never could place them. Reminded me a little of a bo'sun's whistle or something. "You're in hiding, And you hold your meetings. We can hear you coming. We know what you're after. We're wise to you this time- We won't let you kill the laughter." "An eye for an eye; Well before you go under... Can you feel the resistance? Can you feel the thunder?"