WordWolf

Mike, May 27, 2005, 1:55pm, eastern. Mike, February 3, 2004, 5:22am. Back to the 5/27 post... He claimed otherwise in the books. He claimed otherwise to the staff. More than one member of staff told you this, and you ignored the books when we cited them. Or it was less-than-perfect, just as vpw was less-than-perfect. Take both for what they were, both good and bad. Your opinion, and you've told us many times. We all disagree. All the bad things were not vpw's fault, not the class' fault, yadda yadda yadda. We've heard it, we're not buying. It didn't slip by us because you've dreamed it up. You've taken sentences out of their context, thus allowing you to use "private interpretation." And yet, you don't CITE the exact statement, thinking either A) We take your word for it or B) You're assigning us homework. No, they were when he was quoting the BIBLE, the thing you've scorned. Like how giving money was a requirement, which was an entire book, and required reading, yet it was wrong. Here comes the sales pitch! I never forsook my Bible. Some people have, and that's their decision. I'm not gonna lord it over them.

Shows how much you know. The 2-women-have-sex-with-a-dog video was not in the AC most people took- it was part of the CHRISTIAN FAMILY AND SEX class, of which an entire segment seemed to center around the students learning all the slang words for sex and body parts, and was taught by Mr "overabundance of brains and brawn." Seem to have forgotten all the times we've mentioned the errors in the books, but, really, what else is new? Yet, those who chose to live in sin were fired. Imagine that. I question whether he "got the job done" as GOD sees it. Jim Jones and David Koresh called themselves God's spokesmen as well, and there were people who thought they "got the job done" right until the point that those guys got them KILLED. Not so fast. Jesus himself made a comment about what will happen to a man who causes the little ones to stumble. I think a serial rapist hiding behind a holy mantle more than qualifies as causing someone to "stumble". Not to the point that the shepherds dont protect the flock. David REPENTED and spent the rest of his life making up for a single incident. He did not compound it by knocking up some MORE men's wives, then having those men killed. I'd like to repeat what you just said because I think it illustrates your perspective nicely. "For all I know, those ACs where that film [2-women-having-sex-with-a-dog] was shown may have had students who needed to see that." I think the rest of us are a little stuck trying to picture what kind of students would need that, and what kind of ministry vpw was running..... if students made it to his TOP-LEVEL class and somehow enough of them "needed" to see a video where 2 women were having sex with a dog that entire classes needed to see it. Seems a little implausible, to say the least. It was never "popular" for people to like sex with animals, in the US. So, any time he did wrong, no reward and that's it. If he ruined your life by raping you or something, he gets no reward, and life goes on for him. You need to renew your mind and get on with life. NO, he is removed from office for ABUSING HIS OFFICE. I know, you hate it when we discuss what disqualifies him to hold his supposed office. A) vpw the man is the reason vpw the man ruined lives and disqualified himself from holding office. B) HIS EDITORIAL TEAM ALREADY TOLD YOU their work was their best, it was to glorify God, but it was NOT GOD-BREATHED. You weren't interested when they told you THAT, either. Were you here when you posted that vpw had "an overabundance of brains and brawn", was "gifted, even overgifted", and that "when he walked, the earth shook"? See, most people call that "idolizing". We all agree on that one. There'd be no GSC if he HAD been. Well, except in the cases that were this severe, most Christians never dealt with this. The Israelites dealt with this under Hophni and Phineas (Eli's sons), and Roman Catholics during the era of "antipopes" and so on. Based on the aggregated evidence, I do not believe he wasgiven such an assignment, let alone carried it out, faithfully or not. That he didn't conform to God's minimum requirements for His workers is worth spending a lot of time on-it's cost lives. Lives are also worth spending time on. And do your best to suppress the negatives which are legion.

This is Spinal Tap?

You don't recognize a lot of things, Mike, like the question "what's the profit in showing a video of 2 women having sex with a dog?" which, I think, is still an unanswered question around here. If anyone except you were to try to view you as "fair" or "objective", you would have to demonstrate to THEM that you could view things that way, instead of just SAYING you did. (I am of course excepting those who automatically agreed with you, since they never evaluated "fairly", either.) Since Mike is leaving this as a cryptic comment-which is the hallmark of the "style over substance" charlatan crowd, I'll fill in for the late arrivals. The "higher authority" here either refers to: Jesus, who's told him personally, several times, that he's very interested in pfal, and shown himself with the Orange Book in his hand, teaching from it, and told him that he himself appointed vpw his spokesman, or vpw himself, who Mike believes when vpw has told his CHANGING story about a snowstorm, a promise from God in 1942, and how things were done in the 1st century. Figured people would want to know. Everyone except vpw was the villain, according to Mike. vpw was guilty of little things, at worst, but his sins are worth overlooking because of the importance of what he was taught. We have about 4 years of details of what Mike's saying. People have formed opinions within that time-frame. Considering Mike has been swift to rush to challenge personal accounts that vpw raped the poster, his complaint is hypocritical, but that's no surprise to Mike's longtime readers. A "level playing field" would result in Mike being squashed like a bug. Why not make a clear, unambiguous point that can be discussed that ISN'T a personal attack, so we can discuss it like adults? This is Mike's opinion, and he's unaware he's passing judgement in doing this. Depends- does "seeing things better" mean closing my eyes to all the contents of every piece of data contrary to Mike's position? If so, I'd prefer seeing MORE things than less, and let history determine whether that is "better" or "worse". I've never seen LACK of information result in genuine benefit, in and of itself. =================== HCW, congratulations on seeing an attempt to use your posts to say things you weren't, and taking action accordingly.

Thomas beat me to it. The next question, obviously, is "What was 'the joy that was set before him'?" Have that, and you have your answer, as I see it.

That was from ROA '76, Trefor. Here's an exact quote, because I thought that was one of the best teachings I'd ever heard him teach. === He was covering Ephesians 6 and starting in Eph 6:10. As he sometimes did, he deliberately misread the verse aloud so that the audience could catch the difference. vpw: "Finally, my brethren, be strong in VP Wierwille." audience: "No." vpw: "Say it LOUDER!" audience: "NO!" vpw: "That's right. You're not strong in VP Wierwille. Many of you have heard The Word from my ministry, but I didn't die for you." man from offsides: "It was Jesus Christ!" vpw: "You said it man!" ========= Mind you, this should be taken in context of everything else. Personally, I think he alternated between publicly teaching stuff that was right on the money and privately or publicly doing or saying things that were completely off. Humans can be contradictory and hypocritical when they want to be.

I know at ROA '89, right after lcm drew his line in the sand, that donna kept calling him "Our Spiritual Leader" and "Our Spiritual Head" at one of the keynotes, which is on tape.

Ishtar Carol Kane Princess Bride

George's movie is more than 20 years old. So, that means it's not "To Wong Foo...". *another wild swing* "Big Trouble in Little China"? I think that's about 20 years old. "They call me Bruce?"

"Overdrawn at the Memory Bank" was a movie so bad it was on "Mystery Science Theater 3000." It's notable for references to Casablanca and starring Raul Julia (who probably thought of the movie as a "resume stain".) Pirate was correct on mine. Figured many of you were fond of black-and-whites. :)--> He stopped me just before a few more memorable lines. :)-->

*wild swing* " Overdrawn at the Memory Bank"????

For those of us who don't know the contents of the servers (me and all the posters), can you tell us a little more of what we can reasonably expect during this time? Will it be maybe an hour totally affecting the board? 30 minutes? 12 hours? Will it knock out posting only, or will we be unable to read threads as well? Will the documents and editorials from the Main Page still be accessible? Will it affect all forums at once, or roll thru them one-at-a-time allowing us to hop thru the ones that arent being worked on right this second? I'm certainly not complaining, I'd just like to know ahead of time and possibly plan accordingly.

They could have saved themselves the trouble of copywriting that. Nobody would use it who wasn't being indoctrinated it was the greatest poetry since Walt Whitman or something.

"Boy-how'd you like to feel like she looks?" "Have you got any stewed prunes?" "Yes, sir." "Well, give them some black coffee-that will sober them up!" "Yes, sir." (I'm thinking karmicdebt was right on George's quote.)

Picking up from Mel Gibson... Hamlet Glenn Close Mars Attacks!

I agree. However, I bet the actual articles are still LOADED with them. If not, this could really take the fun out of the twi-speak drinking game....

To those of you still on the twi payroll.... I left a note for you on the "way corps to real life" thread.

To any of you currently on the twi payroll.... This is just a friendly reminder of your future. http://www.greasespotcafe.com/waydale/editorial/waypay.htm A) twi has no retirement fund for employees whatsoever. B) twi does not pay into Social Security for its employees. (How it manages that without breaking the law is beyond me.) C) twi does not pay enough for you to put in $10 per paycheck into an individual retirement fund. D) twi does not have a 401(k) program. E) twi has a standard operating procedure of dropping people who are no longer of any use to them (like mrs wierwi11e) F) if you think twi will make an exception for you, please reread the previous line G) twi does not have any kind of job training program ======= What all of this means when you put it together: Financially, twi currently makes no effort to give you backup or a reserve of any kind. Sooner or later, it will cut you loose, probably later. Once twi cuts you loose, you will be unemployed with few job skills-if any, with no retirement fund and no money in Social Security. So, you will work fulltime until you die. From a financial self-preservation point of view, your best bet is to acquire job skills outside of twi, and work outside of twi. At least that way you have a chance to actually retire. A number of people in the "prevailing household" won't have that option.

Sharon, just as I couldn't link back thru the same movie, you can't link back thru the same actor (Rip Torn). Please link from "Men in Black" thru a DIFFERENT actor.

Defending Your Life Rip Torn Men In Black

Sounds vaguely familiar....but I don't have it yet.

As Research Geek pointed out once, a lot of people sent in studies and things that were used BY lcm, who made it look as if it was all HIS ideas and so on. Never admit you have any sources-that was the lesson he was taught by vpw, and he remembered it.

What would a bright stage-light have to do with a devil, anyway?

I've never heard that ANY kind of light can cause eye cancer. (Except excessive sunlight, now that we have a thinner ozone layer.) vpw used to claim the lights filming pfal in the EARLY 70s cause PERMANENT DAMAGE to his eyes. What kind of lights were these-industrial lasers?? This was less than a month of filming. Does anyone remember the film being washed out due to blindingly white light? Me neither. Was film of such low quality that they needed floodlights just to get the normal room-light on the resultant film? Not since movies added SOUND was it THAT severe. vpw WAS exposed to a carcinogen (cancer-causing agent) all the time. He chain-smoked all the time. He also DRANK all the time, which did not ensure a healthy immune system to filter out the cancerous substances. ==== Is it possible that eyes that are cancer-infected due to exposure to carcinogens can be more sensitive to bright-but not harmful- light levels? Now, THAT I can believe. I'd guess that he got his cancer, and MAY have felt pain with the bright lights because he had damaged eyes. It's also possible (since I dont have firsthand accounts from witnesses) that the lights never hurt him, and that story was completely added like his "miraculous snowstorms." Improbable? No, just the type of spin control he regularly engaged in. "Yes, my eye was destroyed. It wasnt my fault-it was the price I paid to bring you pfal, the greatest revelation of God to his people since Paul dictated from his prison cell, and I would gladly do it again for you all and lose my OTHER eye because that's how much I looooove you, keeeds..... *lights another cigarette* "

While we're waiting... " A battleship in 'La Traviata'! "