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I'd be concerned about the difference between the two reports, but one of those comes from LLP, so I'll believe NKNative's account. NKN has a good track record of seeing things as they are and reporting them fairly, IMHO.

Wayback, There is no connection at all. Unto the pure all things are pure. lcm had an obsession with that body part like vpw was a bigtime fan of Thelma & Louise, you know, the twins. Check the GSC main page (click the top banner) and look over the documents and stuff. lcm was a Freudian poster-child. His weakness overcame his strength.

What I got from it was "Well, that's all well and good, but...." In other words, "It sounds nice, but is not good ENOUGH." In twi's eyes, it might be more of the "not precise agreement with our doctrine" stuff.....but I think it's envy. They just CAN'T bring themselves to admit a DIFFERENT type of Christian did anything good. At best, they can call it marginally acceptable. Of course, if THEY had done it, it would have been better....

Well? You don't sound very thankful for that Big BM that one year......

Well, GJ, you'll have to take that one up with Jesus. It the Bible is to be believed, that's what he called himself.

Dot, that's a keeper. Please keep it handy for later reference. (Fear and going to God, I mean.) CW, I was wondering why in the world they were bothering to shield this guy when they tossed lcm and mrs w out as soon as they were no longer an advantage. The rich family aspect explains it. twi was never PRIMARILY concerned with the well-being of the "followers" (dupes, slaves). twi always wanted to know what's in it for them. That's why that chef was encouraged NOT to work professionally-they tried to get him to work on-grounds so they could get a professional chef to cook for them for less than minimum wage. Anybody who had a skill they wanted close to them was leaned on to work on staff-regardless of any personal hardship this would cause them. Odd how lcm could all but foam at the mouth advocating murdering homos and blaming them for the downfall of western civilization, yet let this little STATEWIDE SCANDAL go past without taking action. Well, at twi, money talks, and it ALWAYS did. I mean, why did God need a plane that never worked, anyway? Why did vpw ever fly the Concorde? It did NOT start with lcm...

We had posted about 8 of the "50 ways to leave your waybrain". I saw it in the middle of an unrelated thread, but I can find them eventually. (I jotted them down somewhere around here....)

Bump.

Last I heard, twi was now using the term "church" with outsiders (i.e., tell them we're a church) and on paperwork, but does NOT use it when talking amongst innies. FCs (TCs, whatever abbreviation you would like to use) are more than required simply to not offer non-twi materials and classes. They are required to actively promote/push twi materials while disparaging all Christians external to twi, and are required to participate in phone hook-ups, promote and participate in the running of classes locally, and so on, and is expected to carry all the expenses of same out-of-pocket, which is NOT counted towards the required "donation" aka "abundant sharing", which is required not only to prevent shunning by the organization (since you supposedly can't be a "member"), but to keep God on your good side, lest He withdraw all His protection from you and have horrible things happen in your life as a consequence. A TC has financial responsibilities required of him/her, and actively works, without pay, promoting twi while denigrating anyone else. twi may not call that an "employee", but there ARE legal obligations. There is a formal obligation, since a tc violating these "nonexistent" rules will be subject to sanctions and expulsion.

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Here's my usual friendly reminder.... New arrivals should review the Greasespot Cafe's main page. http://www.greasespotcafe.com It's got a menu that includes GSC Editorials and lots of documents in various formats, like Schonheit's Adultery paper. I prefer to review everything once or twice a year, just to refresh my memory.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...................... Ok, this is just me thinking out loud here, just going from various things said at the GSC..... but an idea hit me..... lcm is a big-time control freak. (Who learned to excel at it from the master, who made his disciple two-fold the child of hell that he himself was.) lcm also has/had large amounts of narcissism. (That is, "yes, it IS all about me") Supposedly, lcm liked threesomes. I take it this was with himself and 2 females, never himself and another male and one female. Otherwise, he conflicts with his own basic-jock mentality. Also, since when would he ever care to reciprocate fulfilling anyone ELSE's proclivities? (I'm taking it as a given that lcm has never been interested in males as sex partners, and that he'd view a 3some with him as one of 2 guys as something strictly to satisfy the woman in this case.) So, we have lcm the control freak, who likes to bring in 2 women-although 2 men is a big no-no. Given that he was all about him everywhere else, I do not think it is a stretch to imagine he was all about him in the bedroom. So, here's what I'm wondering, and I don't know if anyone could possibly confirm or disprove this.... Is it likely that lcm pushed his wife into 3somes, and thence pushed her into intimate encounters with women initially against her will? If so, I would not find it unlikely that this would get out of his control sooner or later, and eventually help fuel his "homo purge" rants. He always DID sound like he had a personal issue about this subject....

Here's an oldie but a goodie. "TWI uses its own Bible-by Lamsa." People said the day-to-day Bible for standard use by wayfers was Lamsa's, NOT the KJV used by EVERYBODY, EVERYWHERE, at EVERY meeting. Of course, there were so many "translations according to usage" that at times we might as well have had NO standard Bible, but that's neither here nor there.

"His primary motive is to make money." Then a seasoned veteran of the movie biz should have known not to bother making this movie. He faced opposition and criticism of the idea of ever making this movie. He faced opposition during the making. Various organizations and critics made wild accusations about it sight unseen, and most critics panned it (except Ebert and Roeper). (My local newspaper's summary person gave it one star-compared to giving Barber Shop 2 two stars, and the latest Adam Sandler movie 2 1/2 stars.) He needed to bankroll the entire thing out-of-pocket, which is NEVER a good sign for a movie. Some groups tried to organize resistance and have the movie never open in theaters. Various show biz types already said Gibson may have killed his career with this, before it opened. So, if it tanked, Gibson stood to lose his entire investment, financially, and lose millions in lost revenues in the movies he would be passed up for in the future. I'm sure money was/is a concern in this, but the PRIMARY concern? The evidence seems to indicate otherwise. Personally, I HOPE he makes a fortune off this movie. I made a point of seeing it in the theater specifically for this reason. The industry has been overcoming its dismay over the movie's financial success, and is now contemplating getting in on this "action". :)--> Yes, twi's obviously jealous that Gibson did a better job than they ever could, even WITH all the traditional elements in the movie. That movie made it more living and real than any number of readings of JCOP ever did. twi always gets chafed when somebody else upstages them-this "Christ is preached" stuff hardly seems a mitigating factor to them.

Moving posts=deleting them. Glad to see you're not letting little things like reading comprehension get in the way of your posts, MS. I was wondering what happened to his other disciple....

Mike, if there really ARE all these devotees flocking to you in secret, you're serving them poorly by posring here. You should be taking them off in some corner somewhere, where they can bask uninterrupted in the joy of your message, where they're not exposed to corrupting influence like "independent thought" and "linear logic" that infest places like the GSC. If they exist, you should spend nearly all your "ministry" time focusing on THEM. If one were to look at all the time you spend here now, one might be suspicious of their very existence, since you seem rather careless of them. ============================================================== BTW, Oldiesman had a good question, concerning the tithe as you teach it NOT being the tithe in CSBP, as well as the basic failure of the tithe as in CSBP to work. Any outside chance you'll at least address the first part? I already know you'll blame Oldies' for the second part...

Having read the choices, I agree that another forum under Doctrinal, specializing in twi DOCTRINE, would be the best option. Then, those seeking other information in "About the Way" can find it in "About the Way". Those seeking to discus doctrine in light of shared experience with, or based on, twi materials, would then find THEIR subjects easily. As it is, the two are currently jumbled.

Tom, feel free to give me my report card in private. Whenever it's convenient.

Mike, The subject of God's foreknowledge, free-will and determinism have been the subject of many rather intelligent discussions, some of which were online, some of which I've been a party to, and most of which were NOT ones were ex-twi'ers were involved. If you REALLY have trouble with this issue, it would serve you well to drop all the insults and ego you reserve when dealing with non-twi Christians, and get in there amongst them. This is the silcon age- you can do that without leaving your armchair. God's detailed foreknowledge? Yes, old news. Our freewill? Yes, old news. I'd share, but I think you'd benefit more from getting the answers from some of those uneducated idiots out there you spurn. BTW, some of us found proof of this before we met some of the other Christians. (Myself included.) If you really are hungry to find the answers, they are out there as we speak. I'm curious how you know for a fact that Oldiesman is NOT aware of this-I certainly don't know, since he never told me. So, I do not know he can't prove them with verses. Me, I can name at least 2 posters here who CAN. It's "tenets", not "tenants". They don't live here. Honestly, Mike, some of us have said it before, and you didn't see a reason to THEN. Spend some time with other Christians. Sure, you'll find some error. You'll also find some surprising answers. In this case, you said this one's bugged you for 35 years. Wouldn't you honestly like to close the case on it? I sure would if it was me. I'd like to clear my list of unanswered questions if I could (and sometimes I DO get to cross one off.) If you DO agree that revelation can come at unlikely places and times, might you consider putting yourself where you're more likely to run across it? Or, you could let pride forbid you from looking, even. Your choice.

Goey, are you going to explain how "burden of proof" works to our erstwhile scientist, or shall I?

Mike, if I actually had a "raging desire" to shut you up, I'd give you my BEST effort, and not my second-best, as I specified once. At least you're giving me a lesser insult of saying I read a little closer, which is not what you used to say. (This contrasts me with the other people you claim don't read you correctly.) Will you ever learn that all these circumlocuitous refusals to speak plainly make it look as if you don't have a good answer to anything, ever? Most of the time, my answers are either brief, or detailed, but clear and precise (not jargon, but plain answers.) Actually, when I honestly asked something, and you asked why I want to know, and I said, honestly, so I could consider it, you STILL dodged. So, this non-linear approach really seems ingrained. You know, eventually, even your staunchest supporters (if and when you get them) will eventually get tired of NEVER getting a straight answer. Tom, your patience is admirable. I certainly don't have it.

We've discussed this before at the GSC. Having weighed the evidence, I think the bulk of it supports this being a deliberate addition, added "with the best of intentions". Contact me if you want me to explain my conclusions. I really don't want to get into another running debate about it.....

I've heard a variety of possible answers. Some people have talked about the earth's magnetic field. Some have talked about gravitic effects. Some have cited the global increase in temperature a few degrees during a full moon. Some have mentioned the increased light. Some have invoked "the placebo effect"-you EXPECT to feel more energy, so you FEEL more energy. Most of the answers I've read have been attacked as unscientific for one reason or another. Me, I have to dismiss the increased light as a reason. In NYC, the ambient light is almost identical under the new moon as it is under the full moon. Further, the effects seem the same under cloudy skies. The placebo effect is probably true to a degree, and was the position I originally held. I eventually discarded it in the face of experiencing too much of it that I couldn't wave away. What got my attention is that people I know could tell if the full moon was in the sky by observing my behaviour-even if the moon was blocked by clouds and I was under the misimpression that we were under the quarter moon. So, I'm currently convinced this is a physical phenomenon more than a psychological one. Do I have a pat answer as to WHY? Not yet. The temperature one is still a viable possibility. However, I observe that it happens, so I know THAT it happens even if I don't know WHY. I'd prefer to know WHY, but I don't know, so that's that.

According to the books, Bilbo looked "unchanged" rather than "well-preserved" when he reached his eleventy-first birthday (the time of the party in FotR's opening scenes.) I missed the Barrow-Downs sequence in the first book, because it's the scene with the barrow-wight that explains the swords Merry, Pippin and Sam get-which are NOT normal knives, which is relevant in RotK. The Isengard resolution scene, as shown in the theaters, was MOST unsatisfactory. It would have been a GREAT scene, especially showing the waning of Saruman and the difference in Gandalf the White. Leaving out the Scouring of the Shire should be a punishable offense. Jackson didn't LIKE the scene. As Tolkien himself put it, the scenes some complained about were the scenes others found necessary. I feel this is true of that scene, even if it was chopped down to 5 minutes. Heck, they could have chopped 10 minutes just from the aggregate scenes of people staring at each other in the third movie. :)--> I also think he overdid the oliphants in the 3rd movie, which is what led to the "Empire Strikes Back" sequence that resulted. (Did anyone else here think they were written as dino-sized? I thought they were elephant-sized.) Tom Bombadil, in the book of FotR, appears in the scene with Old Man Willow, the scene in his house, and the scene with the barrow-wight. After he sees them to safety on his border, he no longer appears in the books. He's mentioned at the Council of Elrond, when Gandalf explains why they can't just ask HIM to hold the ring. He also is mentioned in the wrap-up as the 3rd book winds down. You see, back in the first book, in the Inn of the Prancing Pony (where the hobbits met Strider), a bad guy stampedes all the horses out of the stable. That's why they bought "Bill" as a pack-pony for their luggage. As it turns out, the ponies had sought out Fatty Lumpkin, Bombadil's pony, when they got to running. Tom eventually brought them back to the inn, and Barliman Butterbur was compensated for the outrageous price he put out for Bill as a replacement. We just hear that it happened, though. Personally, I think the story was poorer for leaving out Glorfindel and Radagast the Brown in FotR, but I understand trying to streamline the story. Jackson was trying to have the main characters do EVERYTHING. I understand that but disagree, since, during a war, that's an unrealistic expectation. Thousands upon thousands did their parts, even when "off camera" and this helped drive that home. I hear the scene at the Houses of Healing is restored in RotK. I wish Jackson hadn't felt the need to make Denethor look like such a putz, though. In the books, he seemed very bitter, but he was still competent for the most part-which is why the watch lights of Gondor had been LIT when Gandalf and Pippin arrived. (In the movie, they weren't.) Other allies, such as the Prince of Dol Imrahil, DID come to the aid of Gondor, just not as much as was hoped for, or needed. Many famed warriors fell in a day when the Nazgul's Captain led their forces against Gondor. (Yes, I know it's make-believe. A lot of imaginary big names fell.)