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WhiteDove, that was true, but not the WHOLE TRUTH. BTW, please break up the quotes visually in some way so we can see where you are speaking, and where someone else is speaking. I broke it up above so people can see what claim you're currently making. I added the dates/times to the quotes as well. Now, as to my claim about the WHOLE TRUTH. You claimed you played nice until someone else took a cheap shot. Here's the order: WhiteDove: (7/19/05, 2:54pm) That's not an insult. Rascal: (7/19/05, 3:03pm) That's not an insult. Raf: (7/19/05, 3:08pm Eastern) That's not an insult. WhiteDove: (7/19/05, 3:56pm Eastern) THAT was the comment that prompted the other responses. Rascal: (7/19/05, 4:12pm) That wasn't an insult, but a polite disagreement. Raf: (7/19/05, 4:56pm) That was another disagreement, quite civil. Considering you basically had said "Well, I'll be a good Christian, but all of you who enjoy Harry Potter and await the 6th book are NOT good Christians,", I thought that was quite a polite response. THEN Belle made the comment you objected to. Her reply was not to your initial post- WHICH NO ONE OBJECTED TO- but to your followup post that had an accusation in it. So, I looked it up, WhiteDove, and YOU posted the first insult, although you phrased it in a less-obvious way than just saying "you're spiritually negligent and irresponsible", which was the substance of your reply. And, as we see, Belle was right-just saying you disagreed was fine. The only real response to you after that was "Did you read the books? You might like them if you read them." Do you see the difference NOW? I'm sure everyone else does....

Personally, I had heard specific complaints about the Harry Potter books, so I didn't read them, and had no interest in the first movie. When the first movie made it to tv, I looked it over, and kept looking for the issues that had been raised (supposed insults on normal humans, teaching kids to be disrespectful, etc.) I was unable to find them. I thus concluded that the complaints were manufactured and without merit, and the first movie wasn't a DIY for Satanism. On the recommendation of 2 Christians, I picked up the first four books and read them in succession. It was in that period I became a fan. I find them an entertaining read and grist for interesting discussions.

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Most websites are run by people who think that. However, each seems to have had errors at different points. For example, Mugglenet had (and still does, unless they changed it) the excerpt JKR posted from Book 6, and says it is a description of the Half-Blood Prince. I don't think it's much of a spoiler to say Scrimgeour isn't the HBP. So, their opinion is not binding on JKR. (Neither is mine.) To have done so with the Avada Kedavra-like Cedric Diggory-would have been MUCH more effective at this and left no ambiguity. It would have had a LOT more pathos. Or, it's yet another time that appearances were deceiving. Death being definitive is the case for James and Lily, Cedric Diggory, and the fatalities in Book 6. It was NOT definitive, so far, for Voldy and Wormtail... because they weren't actually killed off. Please use the direct quote. JKR has previously said that rumours were often very false because they mixed what she said, what someone thought she said, and something unrelated. Thus, third-hand reports are unreliable. JKR said that she established that if you are "properly dead" in the story, then you're dead. The question, therefore, is whether or not the Veil/Arch counts as a "proper death". Some say no, many say yes. Please note that Voldemort and Wormtail were considered apparently dead when Harry was 1 year old. One's body was destroyed, the other supposedly was destroyed except for a finger. Barty Crouch Jr was even BURIED and he was alive. I can run a list of the things confirming that one. We had everything but a coroner's report. All the events in Book 6 can be interpreted as Snape being good OR evil. The event that indicates his allegiance is at the end of Book 5. Snape is the one that sends the OotP to the MoM. If not for that, Voldy would have gotten his hands on the Prophecy AND Harry. All Snape would have had to do was sit on his hands, and things would have suited Voldemort's plans.

I know the account you're referring to, but are you certain that is the same veil? Who said it was the SAME VEIL? I said it FORESHADOWED Book 5. That veil was physical, the connection is symbolic. Nick and the other characters think Sirius "moved on." They also had the same impression of Peter Pettigrew for 12 years. Might they be mistaken yet again? I think they may have SOME knowledge, but not MOST of a person's knowledge. It is possible for someone to give advice and evaluate based on their own personality and character, without any access to experience or extensive knowledge on a subject. If you can find one place a portrait told Dumbledore some obscure piece of information, I shall concede the issue. Until then...no.

One recent comic had Dick Grayson recounting an incident. "You said it yourself...there are some days you just can't get rid of a bomb." I cracked up, posted it to a comics board, and waited for replies. One came back immediately: "*ing Salvation Army!!!" ================= Hiway29, of course, is correct. My next quote would have been "Be careful, every one of these boys has a mother." You'd be surprised how many quotable lines are from that movie.

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While that question has been raised, WhiteDove, I'd like to add another. Since it's related, you can address it at the same time. What do you consider entertainment for those under 18 which is NOT "contributing to the dumbing-down of society and increasing Satan's power?" Is there any, or do you recommend a pure, intainted diet of Scripture only interspersed with time spent in an unadorned white room in order to avoid the near occasion of sin?

Hm. If that Sidney is Sydney, then I think I've heard both quotes. Since I never saw the third, that would make this Scream 2.

According to JKR, http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/faq_view.cfm?id=103 "Wizards have ways of making sure their voices are heard after their death- think of Bertha Jorkins rising out of the Pensieve in 'Goblet of Fire', the Sorting Hat continuing to spout the wisdom of the Founders hundreds of years after their deaths, the ghosts walking around Hogwarts, the portraits of dead headmasters and mistresses in Dumbledore's office, not to mention Mrs. Black's portrait in number 12, Grimmauld Place...there are other examples, too, of which the Marauder's Map is merely one. It is not really Prongs writing the insult to Snape, it is as though he left a magical recording of his voice within the map." As I understand it, the portraits are like computer programs simulating the former headmasters/mistresses. I doubt they have all the KNOWLEDGE of the person, just all their PERSONALITY. === Lupin was sure? I don't care. Lupin does not work in the Department of MYSTERIES, where they STUDY the Veil/Arch. They STUDY it because THEY don't understand it, and THEY don't know everything about it either (otherwise it would no longer be STUDIED.) The only Unspeakable in the Order of the Phoenix was Bode, and he was killed before Sirius was, so he could not give us an answer. Outside the Dept of Mysteries, only Voldy was said to know Death magic. So, Lupin would not know, Dumbledore would not know. Dumbledore is supposed to know just about everything, but he has made more than a few mistakes. Book 1. All the teachers are trustworthy, including Quirrell. Book 2. Lockheart is competent. Book 3. Pettigrew's been dead for a dozen years, killed by Sirius Black. Book 4. New professor is constantly vigilant. Book 5. No comment. So, what the characters "know" is not guaranteed to be true.

WW - How was this foreshadowed at the party... I forget? For the sake of a friend, Harry passes thru a heavy veil to interact with the dead. (The Golden Trio are the only living people there.) Harry returns unharmed. Harry asked Nick about GHOSTS. I agree with Nick-Sirius will not become a GHOST. In Egyptian mythology-where Isis' veil is connected with dead- the star Sirius leaves and returns. The mirror.... According to JKR, http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/faq_view.cfm?id=22 "The mirror might not have helped as much as you think, but on the other hand, will help more than you think. You'll have to read the final books to understand that!" The mirror did NOT appear in Book 6, therefore it "will help more than you think." A broken mirror has come in handy in mythology, apparently, in retrieving a soul. If not, the mirror served NO purpose in the story.

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*cracks knuckles* Me and the "Sirius Isnt Dead" Guild have given this a lot of reading. :D--> The Veil was foreshadowed at Nearly-Headless Nick's Deathday party in Book 2. (This was left out of the movie.) Harry passed thru that veil unharmed. There's references to a Veil in Egyptian mythology, in legends concerning Isis, and in Greek mythology concerning Persephone. Both are in references to death. I'm a little hazy on my Babylonian mythology, but it overlapped the borders of Assyria, where the mimbulus mimbletonia came from. The Veil/Arch is a gateway to the Lands of the Dead, it seems, in JKR's Book 5. JKR has said that there's no returning from dead once you're properly dead. Therefore, the question is: Does passing thru the Veil/Arch count as becoming 'properly dead'? If the answer is "yes", then we can just shove Voldy thru THAT and he can't come back even if he left 856 horcruxes here and searching for them is a waste of time. If the answer is "yes", there's another problem. Its usage made no sense. If Sirius was supposed to be killed suddenly and we need to accept it, Bellatrix just would have hit him with the Avada Kedavra like Cedric Diggory. Then we-and Harry-know exactly what happened. We know that Bella DIDN'T hit him with it because someone hit with the AK dies as if they're switched off (like Cedric). Sirius had time to change his facial expression, struggle, and SPEAK before vanishing thru the Veil. So, he was alive when he went thru. Harry saw him hit and expected to see him come out. Harry knows what the AK looks like, and saw Sirius hit. Therefore, Sirius wasn't hit with the AK. If you study Book 5, a LOT of things happened the way they did to force the story towards the MoM fight, which happened THERE so Sirius could be pushed thru the Veil. Apparently, it HAD to happen that way, which means that we haven't seen the last of Sirius. When asked how Sirius might return, JKR said she could possibly answer that. She had JUST said outright that Regulus Black was dead. "Will we be hearing from Regulus Black? Well, he's dead, so he's pretty quiet these days." Lots of portals into the Lands of the Dead have existed in mythology all over the world, and in all sorts of myths. Heroes have gone thru them to retrieve people, as well. Hercules did, Orpheus did, there have been others. Joseph Campbell considers the descent to the Lands of the Dead a necessary part of The Hero's Journey. (Then again, it can be a symbolic journey.)

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I thought he turned on the machine. Oh, well, it's been a long time.. Next song, let's see... Oh, right. "I'm heavenly blest, and worldly wise, I'm a peeping-Tom Techie with x-ray eyes

That was CRUCIO, not the Avada Kedavra. The difference wasn't TRAINING, it was HATRED. He had to HATE enough to fuel it.

AMELIA Bones died. (Too bad-she was a good candidate for Minister of Magic.) Emmeline Vance, OotP, dies at the beginning.

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Too many Dr Demento types around here. That's "How's Your Whole....Family?" by Red Peters. (Or is it Peter Red or something?) Been a while since I heard it, but it kinda stays with you.

The appearance of the new portrait in the Headmaster's Office seemed to be a giveaway. That's why I suspected it for the end of Book 6, also. Amazing what you can figure out sometimes. The current theories are that it's definitely Regulus. Further, for JKR to keep introducing important characters across Book 7 will be somewhat excessive. I'll have to reread it and check. Like some others, I think Snape could be loyal and still killed Dumbledore. My objection is that we still havent seen a good reason for Dumbledore to say "I trust him completely" and Dumbledore can no longer give us one. It appears the house was intact before Voldy fired the AK, and it was trashed when Hagrid arrived. (Or Wormtail, if he arrived sooner, which is unlikely.) It looks to me like it was not decreased in power. JKR has also said in interviews that one really important question is: why didn't Voldemort die? If it was just the decreased power of a ricochet, that's NOT an important question. If it's because the horcruxes anchor him to reality, then it IS important. Further, don't forget Harry's scar. It's the LAST link Voldemort placed for himself to the world. Me, I keep thinking Voldy's magic should be 1/7 of what it originally was, but JKR seems to disagree.

BTW, if ALL guesses are correct... The locket was stolen by Regulus Black, who died of the poison soon after dropping it off at 12 Grimmauld Place. It was discovered in Book 5 during the cleaning: "a locket no one could open" It was stolen from 12 Grimmauld Place by Mundungus Fletcher in Book 6 when he was stealing Harry blind.

Let me rephrase this. If someone fires an Avada Kedavra at you, you have until it reaches you to find some way to keep it from touching you. Dumbledore blocked a spell at the MoM with one of the statues. Fawkes swallowed another. Harry parried a third using his own spell and the Priori Incantatem effect. Presumably, if you Disapparated out of its path, you'd be fine also. It will keep going and explode on impact. If the AK touched you, that's it-you're history. Hagrid can shrug off individual stunning spells and so on due to his giant-type magic resistance. If an AK hit him, he'd just fall over dead. No resistance can shrug off the AK. So, if Hagrid wanted to survive it, he'd need to block it with something before it reached him as well.

IT WAS BLOCKED when Harry and Voldy dueled at the end of the Goblet of Fire book. Remember, they both had the same core - a phoenix feather - in the wands - brother wands, if you will. Harry was able to get Voldy's wand to do a "reverse" of the AK spell, which showed many of the people (a likeness, ghost, if you will) of them, including Harry's parents. That made my point. In the case of the Priori Incantatem, Harry and Voldemort fired simultaneously, and the identical wand-cores produced a resonance when the spells connected the wands. Otherwise, the thing wouldnt have stopped it. Dumbledore used a statue and Fawkes to block spells at the end of Book 5 as well. If an Avada Kedavra hits its target, however, that's it. (DaDA lesson one, year 4.) If an AK hits an inanimate object, generally speaking, the object is exploded. ("Ronicus Explodicus".) If it hits a person, they die instantly and leave an intact corpse (Book 4, Cedric Diggory.) They fall like they were switched off. ======== Technically, we do not KNOW R.A.B. is Regulus Alphard Black. However, he seems an obvious choice. He used D.E. terms (Dark Lord), and expected to die (which Regulus SHOULD have expected when he tried to defect.) If Regulus did it, he thought "You may kill me, but I'll seal your doom in the process- I'll destroy your horcrux (horcruxes are rare and are only made ONE per soul) so you can be killed." He had opportunity (only a D.E. would know the location and that there WAS a horcrux), and motive. Of course, EVERYBODY had a motive: the good guys (kill the bad guy) and the bad guys (topple Voldy and REPLACE him)

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