WordWolf

Ok, XP's "firewall"... XP Service Pack 1 has a firewall called "Internet Connection Firewall". It's a toy. It serves to buy you a few minutes while you download a REAL firewall. XP Service Pack 2 has a better firewall. You'll know if you're using that because it comes with a "Security Center" program. That's where a window will show something monitoring your antivirus program and so on. It limits incoming traffic a LOT better than the SP1 thing, but it's not really a "firewall", and it does NOT secure outgoing traffic. "Microsoft security" is an oxymoron, remember this. So, install whatever security programs you want, then switch off the "firewall" in Windows that came with Windows. I've never heard of a firewall that was LESS effective than the Microsoft ones. They were added to the operating system because some people have NO security and even BAD security is better than none at all. Personally, I'm not impressed with Norton, but if you find it works for you and you're happy with it, more power to you.

Here, here!

Socks may have explained it well and clearly, but some people (determined not to see the point) might as well be hearing adults in a Charlie Brown cartoon. Socks makes an excellent point, and some people just get "Wah-WAH-wah-wah-wah."

Please keep in mind, HCW, that Mike is not only disinterested in anything that supports the overwhelming evidence that vpw wrought pfal by his own will and in the interests of making a class with KEYS for Genesis to Revelation. Mike's looking specifically for anything he can isolate from its context, and use to claim that pfal REPLACES Genesis to Revelation. (Which contradicts what the books say.) Please keep in mind that the contents of the books-which he claims to be directly from God in the sense the Bible is- have done nothing to change this point of view-even when the contents directly contradict it. Mike also takes the liberty of mentally rewriting anything HE says, anything YOU say, or anyone ELSE says. For example, he's depicted himself as having been wildly successful in outdebating us and in presenting evidence supporting his position. Mike has also said he's seen that Jesus, when he returns, will have a copy of the orange book in his hand and be teaching from it. When asked if he was joking, he said he'd seen him this way several times. So, HCW, you may respond to Mike however you wish, or NOT respond to Mike however you wish. I thought you'd like a quick word of warning first, however. Let me know if you need some links for some of this stuff.

One story that I heard about the corps.... A guy had a reputation for falling asleep during the loooonnnggg teachings. One time our poor Eutychus was listening to vpw go on (and on.) Once he fell asleep, his neighbor tapped him and whispered "He just asked you to speak in tongues and interpret." Immediately, he sprang to his feet in the middle of the teaching, loud enough for the whole room. " Lo shanta vea lo shanta" (or equivalent). He was interrupted pretty quickly by vpw, who said "Sit down and shut up."

Oh, good. I thought you'd said everything you were going to. Glad there's more to be said.

*reads link* Or DOESN'T stand, as the case may be. Mine is missing, as are some other people's.

Funny. Some time ago, Jeff did a "drive-by posting" on a Christian board I was at doing that very thing. I replied quickly and raised the same issue you did. I'm not sure if he ever visited again or if it was just a true "drive-by". I am aware that the thread died pretty quickly once I asked him what the harm would have been posting a more honest approach. (I posted exactly what I thought he should have posted.) Oh, and please post your Momentus experience, but give it its own thread. :)-->

Like they know that. One of the things they check for is if you swallowed your money. ("Another Fine Myth")

Don't think your work wasnt appreciated. Without the both of you guarding the room, the adversary would have been allowed a toe-hold into preventing us from prevailing in the spiritual competition that is life, and would have allowed him to steal, kill and destroy the hotel coffee, or something.

I'll echo his request. What can those of you who knew her tell us of her?

Ok, my bad. I'd read this at the bottom of page 8, but for some reason I thought there was going to be a follow-up on it. Not sure why I got that impression. Myself, I was going to wait for the end before recommending it be edited for inclusion elsewhere, but someone beat me to it.

Most of the people who tried to reprove me were at least partly correct in doing so, and none of them tried to shout at me. (This was a smart idea. Perhaps they thought I'd pull a knife or something. Like I'd need a knife...) So, I listened, and found merit where it was. Where it wasn't, I listened, then did my own thing again. ===== The one exception was a guy in the corpse when I visited hq. I said something which was true but he didn't want to hear. (It wasn't ministry-related.) He went into one of those filibuster diatribes they learned from experience in the corpse. I waited for him to finish, then said, coolly, "You've been waiting all day to give that speech, haven't you?" I forget what else we said, but the conversation relaxed a bit after that. Part of it was because he didn't NEED to put on the mask for me, part of it because it wouldn't work if he DID. It's funny-looking back, I can see he probably felt a little more at-ease not having to read from his script....

No- somebody CLAIMED-off the record- that twi is now kinder and gentler. Not the same as someone investigating it and saying "Behold! They are kinder and gentler!" (Someone who would give a fair appraisal, anyway.)

I'd start looking from here: http://www.empirenet.com/~messiah7/cultsthe.htm

HCW, whenever you feel ready to discuss Roch*lle again....

Frankly, I think the "14 generations....14 generations...14 generations" thing gives vpw's explanation the strongest case. I'm curious if he got it from someone else, or really DID come up with it himself. (Odds are, he got it from somewhere else.) Interesting he split from Bullinger on this, though.

As promised many moons ago, some crowing about Firefox. Firefox is designed to accomodate lots of "extensions"- widgets that enhance your browsing experience. Firefox by itself is a neater program than Internet Explorer. Due to IE not matching industry standards, some websites designed specifically to be viewed under IE won't view properly under Firefox. No problem. Activate your "IEview" extension and it reads the same way. Unadjusted Firefox has a great popup blocker. You can add just about anything you can think of to Firefox. Like using "gesture" commands? There's an extension for that. There's extensions for better Flash downloading, and better downloads. "NukeImage" and "NukeAnything" allow you to make whatever you want disappear off the screen. (Except some Flash that you can shut off by default.) Want instant translation? Tiny URL access? Access to news sites? There's extensions for THAT, too. "AdBlock" allows you to prevent ads from even loading. It also works on offensive linked graphics, if you want to block them instead. Somebody mentioned a program that allows IE to zoom in on an image. Firefox has ImageZoom. And so on, and so on.

By request, clicking this to the top. I left the child abuse thread where it was.

Does anyone want me to bump up the old "Hunt Close" thread?

BTW, something reminded me of this..... Did anyone here ever hear what vpw said out loud about the present danger of women hitchhiking to LEAD and getting raped? He spoke about it. Anyone with a copy of the "Heart of the Way Corps" tapes can play the 2 that were recordings of vpw, and hear what he said. I never memorized his response-but I believe I still have the tapes fairly handy if it's really needed.... He said people had complained that women could get raped hitch-hiking. He responded that women could get raped in areas they normally travelled in (some valley-Green Valley, maybe?), and used THAT as his justification for saying this objection was groundless. Would anyone out there care to replay it and report back EXACTLY what he said on the subject? It's about a minute or so after he says "You'll hitchhike to L.E.A.D. even if you NEVER make it."

Oh, and since HCW seems mostly done, I feel I can chime in a bit on the main story. I won't respond to what happened to that woman, since that part hasn't been completed yet. As to the actual accident, yes, the driver was in control of the vehicle. Elementary driver's education says to drive slowly when encountering inclement weather, impediments to vision, or difficulties driving. The driver should have done this. HOWEVER, the social stigmas he was labouring under made this choice abhorrent. He was, essentially, FORCED to use unsafe speed to get the job done within the inadequate timeframe. If he had used a safe speed, he would have been late, then ridiculed and held up as an object of scorn. ("Lack of believing", etc.) So, he was using an unsafe speed. Further, the vehicle was poorly balanced. Further, it was overloaded. Mainly, it was completely unsafe for the passengers. If you sit thru ANY level of Driver's Ed, you will hear-over and over- that, no matter how serious the accident, your chances of survival are tremendously increased so long as you remain in the vehicle. That's why SEATBELTS are the law. http://www.snopes.com/autos/techno/seatbelt.asp The "passengers" (cattle, really) were NOT secured into the vehicle, nor in anything designed to guarantee safety of the passengers. THAT was the direct cause of the most severe injuries (not to discount HCW's injuries as minor-they're obviously longterm) and was DIRECTLY the fault of the management of the program... and telling me the management was so ignorant of the program they "managed" that they were unaware that even a second-hand schoolbus or passenger van would have been MANY times safer will not wash, since their primary JOB was to know those very details. They SHOULD have taken the entire route themselves and seen firsthand if it was safe to take that route in that vehicle, if it was the "standard" route. Of course, this would have been an entirely different story if they had....

I'll agree that's a great explanation. ==== I'll even try to answer your question. (Mind you, I could be completely off-base since I can't read Satori's mind.) children's songs, sitting on the floor..... I've been given to understand that there are adults out there in the USA that like to pretend they're little children in private. (I'm thinking they don't remember childhood very well.) Now, leaving aside discussions of what motivates someone to do this, I think we can agree, if a grown adult male wants to dress up as Little Lord Fauntelroy or Buster Brown in his living room, and ride a wooden stick "hobby-horse" around and pretend he's a little kid, well, whatevah. Just make sure you pull the shades/blinds/curtains closed first. On the other hand, Vickles, let's say some guy (husband, fiancee, steady boyfriend) says to you that he wants YOU to dress up like Punky Brewster or Pippi Longstocking or whatever and ride a hobby-horse around the living room. You would probably say "HAHAHAHAHAHA! No, wait-you were SERIOUS??" You'd back up a few feet, and say something was wrong. Why does this guy want to infantilize you? What sick purpose does he have to make you like a child? Well, guess what? If you were in the corpse, you sat thru something like this! Not to the same degree, and not for the same reasons, I hope, but you were infantilized. Your erstwhile "Father in da werd" kept calling you "kids", had you sing children's songs, and had you sit around while being taught, all to evoke childhood? Why? This evokes the responses of childhood- the reactions that the "adult" knows more than you, and you have to obey, the idea that you know nothing and have to be told what to do, that you have to "be a good boy/girl" and obey. Subtle, yes. Insidious, yes. Intentional? Well, could it possibly have been accidental? Think carefully before answering. Could they possibly have been deliberately training people not to be good LEADERS, but good FOLLOWERS instead?

At 75 mph in MANHATTAN on the straightaways, he would have to run red lights or be sideswiping cars on the FDR Drive. I'll buy he was going fast, but 75 in a truck SHOULD and WOULD get you arrested. There was a news item about such a truck making an unsafe turn at speed in a residential area, and turning a kid into a memory, in JANUARY. Furthermore, WNEW is 102.7, not 107.2... It USED to be a successful rock-and-roll station (and a rock legend) until some fool changed it to talk a few years ago. Now they changed it again because that didn't work, and I don't know WHAT the playlist is.

Maybe I just happen to know the only Polyannas out there besides Vickles' kids, but I know some teenagers who would have done that, too. I know a few "kids" currently in college who steer clear of situations involving drinking and "bad behaviour" like cursing, or situations likely to involve them.