WordWolf

vpw tended to tread lightly on subjects he knew so little about that he couldn't even FAKE it convincingly. Let me get back to you on this one. Frankly, though, I'd consider checking out some Christian websites and messageboards on this. Some of them are quite good.

Actually, it's more of a technical concept. If you'd been subjected to pfal Session I or the first 4 chapters of the Blue Book like the rest of us, you'd know that vpw taught that the volume of one's believing was critical to seeing results. With big enough believing, one can see instant miracles, with not-so-big believing, one can see somewhat slower (but still very fast) results. Thus, a mega-believer could see their arm heal within seconds to a minute, while a big believer could see it heal overnite. We were taught that WE were the critical element in receiving things from God, and to relegate God to a secondary role as a sort of quartermaster or supply sergeant or requisitions officer.

I didn't say you were wrong. (???) You said Arlo said the song lasts 18 m, 20 s-same as the Watergate Tape gap. I said I'd see if he was right.

It's about freaking.... I mean, I'm blessed to hear that! :)-->

I'll have to check exactly how long the song lasts. When he sings the original, he keeps highballing the time. ("I've been singing this song for 45 minutes. I can sing for another 45. I'm not proud. Or tired.") I always render that "25 minutes" also, since that's a LOT closer to the exact time. I still consider that song a Thanksgiving tradition. I also consider it a handy way to kill 20 minutes, if recited. I think the website dedicated to this song is http://www.arlo.net (Well, this song and other things Arlo Guthrie related.) It has some stuff on Officer Obie I found interesting. Tom? It's one side of the cassette, too. Some people still use those....

That's not such an impossible task, so long as the ground rules were clear, agreed-upon, and enforced. (For example, a "no profanity" rule posted, which, if violated, would result in an account suspension, and banning for repeat offenses. That's just one example.) Otherwise, posters might think "anything goes" and dive for a jugular. =========================== In other news, somewhere online I saw a one-panel cartoon. Frodo, from about midway thru "Fellowship of the Ring", in the House of Elrond Half-Elven, in Rivendell. Frodo's just beginning to wake up from his ordeal and poisoning. Elrond's standing a few feet away, dressed as Elrond, with dark sunglasses added. "Mr BAGGINS! So good of you to JOIN us...."

Please point out the purposes of this forum and ask them to be mindful of its stated and understood purposes when posting. As a board dedicated to information and to recovery, it may have more in common with AA than with boards they're used to.

*high-fives Pirate* But no fair! It's never named in the song, only the movie!

You're just mad that you don't know the name of the restaurant, just the name of the song....which is why it's called "Alice's Restaurant"....

I'll answer you right after I finish beating my wife....

BTW, Refiner, People who visit the GSC are either investigating twi, or looking to recover from exposure to twi without a hazmat suit. There is a third group of people: drive-by posters. Those are people who show up, and, in their first post, advertise their website, messageboard, or doctrine. Thus, the post is a commercial. Generally speaking, they tend to get it from every direction, and so they leave. (Which is what we wanted in the first place. We don't like ads here.)

I'm bothered that some non-Christians have to, for lack of a better word, characterize all Christians as uneducated knuckle-dragging Luddites who have no understanding of how the world works and are incapable of linear thought. I'm bothered that some Christians feel the need to oversimplify their positions and not have intelligent discourse with more polite seekers and dissenters. No, I'm not thinking of anyone at the GSC. I've seen worse out there, actually. Some people are quite eager to level blanket insults at the opposing POV. (Well, I'm not thinking PRIMARILY of the GSC, anyway.)

[A worthy goal. I just wish you'd have asked a few days earlier...]

The idea of getting rid of things impeding your relationship with God is not a bad idea, in and of itself. Naming it after someone is a different story. Especially when you're criticizing all other groups who've done the same. Amazing how people can go from having the right motives (?) to thinking they're entitled to 10% of your income....

This here site is your "one-stop shop" on such information. The more you look around, the more info you can find to make an informed decision. http://www.greasespotcafe.com/main/editorial.htm http://www.greasespotcafe.com/waydale/main/way-generated.htm http://www.greasespotcafe.com/waydale/main/misc.htm http://www.greasespotcafe.com/waydale/main/editorial.html If you're more concerned about the lawsuits and all the times twi was sued by people, there's a lawsuit archive off the main page, as well. There's a forum, "Greasespot 101", for getting up to speed on twi and what it's about, also. Look down this board for it. There are also various archives, depending on the subject you're interested in. Want to find out how they ruin lives? How leaders slandered ex-members? How leaders set the stage and set out to rape and molest members? How leaders spent twi's money on luxuries while telling the members they should send in all money about their strict needs? How staff was paid less than minimum wage and live in little cells, working over 70 hours a week, every week? These answers, and so many more, are all in the archives. As to short answers, I shall quote Dr Fraser Crane, who said: "RUN LIKE THE WIND AND DON'T LOOK BACK!!!!!!!"

How about this, then....

I forget. Statistics was never my forte. Will someone who IS good at statistics explain, and rephrase my sentence into an accurate one?

Honestly, I strongly recommend getting involved with other Christians for that. The GSC is not particularly adapted for that, since it is intended to be a site open to Christian and non-Christian. Face to face is best for that. If you're not up to that for any of a hundred reasons, you can find thousands upon thousands of forums and websites for that. Send me a private message if you have difficulty finding one you like. Actually, a smarter idea would be a private topic with you and every Christian here you want to hear from, asking for such sites. However, I recommend your OWN search first. Only you know what suits YOU.

Doesn't it strike you as mildly ironic that the guy whose only "research book" was called "Rise and Expansion of the Christian Church" oversaw an organization thru a decade, and it experienced a "negative growth rate" of greater than -2000% ? And this is the BEST they can offer?

Man, that Jesus must really have been walking in error in the garden of Gethsemane.... Father, if there's any other way to do this...let's take it. Nevertheless, not my will, but Yours be done.

Switching from CoC to twi-or vice versa- is a lot like having the stains removed from one pair of pants and placed on another pair of pants. :D-->

In the videotaped class, vpw said that his response upon hearing the guy say Paul was a sex pervert was to stand up, say "SHUT UP!" and leave the room. Since, on other occasions, he's said he was slow to leave the room on people saying the Bible was full of myths (said Don had left several minutes earlier), and he did NOT yell at that, one might wonder why this PARTICULAR statement produced what one might call a "knee-jerk" response. I would ask that question, anyway....

Vickles, all my advice is already on the "Registry Keys" thread. :)-->

YES. That goes back to Zixar's point about "never install ANY program until you've checked it out." "Anything that's ad-supported has a high risk of having embedded spyware." I've heard of programs that "detected spyware", then you download the free program to remove it, which adds new spyware in the process. Check reputations with TRUSTWORTHY sources. AdAware and Spybot:Search and Destroy are VERY reliable, and free for the downloading. (Spybot is technically shareware and does deserve some money donated in exchange for the valuable service.) I like to run them both daily, and again after ANY download of ANY kind. Ditto an antivirus program. In short, most advertised anti-spyware programs ADD spyware.

I agree with everything except Zixar's last sentence. Certain other programs will increase the security of your computer, and many of them are free for the downloading. Spybot Search and Destroy has an immunizing function as well as its spyware scanner. It will protect you before certain programs hit the machine. Antivirus programs have a "guard" or "shield" that will catch some viruses as they attempt to download to you. Other programs eliminate specific security flaws in programs. Plus, various programs (including the aforementioned) can be used to do an active scan and remove malicious programs, data-miners, keyloggers, trojans, etc that somehow made it past your main protection. I'd say an updated firewall, an O/S other than Windows, a browser other than IE, an antivirus and the other programs, and the external router are probably the MOST secure you can get. However, you can have an amazing level of security purely thru free programs of each type.