WordWolf

Posted by Refiner. [WordWolf replies in boldface. ] [Mike would say the Orange Book is 100% correct, and it's the Bible that's wrong. He justifies that by claiming the Bible was virtually rewritten over the centuries so as to lose all accuracy. ]

Depends. On certain subjects, I DID look them up myself (like the "four crucified with Christ", and so on.) Others, I figured I'd get around to eventually, like the contradiction between athletic vs military imagery lcm pushed. I was working on that one when lcm drew his line in the sand and I left. I think, eventually, I would have examined a LOT of it, but some of that would have been years or decades later.

Whoever taught that was ignorant of the Bible. And where in the Bible does it say that? In Acts 8:26 an angel of the Lord speaks to Phillip and give him directions. Philip was already saved. In Acts 12 an angel busts Peter out of jail. Peter was already saved. Trefor is right. So much was taught concering devil spirits that any teachings about angels were easy to miss. TWI could give intricate details about devils spirits - names and kinds and exactly how they operate, but very little was ever mentioned concerning angels where they now fit in. The entire subject of angels and their relations with us-or lack thereof- in twi, was based on a gross oversimplification and misunderstanding of Hebrews 1:14. Contrasting Jesus with the angels, it says "Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?" twi took off from there, and began speculating lengthy teachings on the subject, never checking them against Scripture. They started by saying that this meant angels were supposed to minister to us until we get born again, after that, we're on our own. I myself heard the great forehead explain that this is why sometimes it would be good NOT to speak The Word to someone, why sometimes it would be good for them NOT to be born again-because that would make the angels scram. I'm not even going to dignify that "private interpretation" with a response. It should have been obvious to me from the get-go why this was so wrong. (I knew it was nonsense from the beginning-twi never seemed to have any real understanding of "Advanced" level materials, but I didn't have a lengthy explanation.) An heir is an heir APPARENT until the heir INHERITS. The heir APPARENT of Britain is Prince Charles. If, however, a tragic polo accident kills him today, he will not inherit-the next in line will inherit. It should be obvious from even a cursory look at the book of Acts that twi's official stance fails miserably to account for the actions of angels since the day of Pentecost, and the rules since then are supposedly fully in effect now. The only generalization one MIGHT get from that verse is that angels are ministering spirits. That covers a lot of ground.

Uh, maybe that was on "Love, Always". It wasn't on "Spark in the Dark."

Then how about editing the previous post and deleting most or all of the name?

Technically, it's an IMAGE of him in the picture, but, yes, that's him. :)--> Unless he's had plastic surgery done and changed all his features or something. Then it's what he looked like BEFORE the surgery. Who did you think it was? Lou Diamond Phillips? Antonio Banderas?

In 20/20 hindsight, the irony is almost blinding...

So, Is Sal Arico's "Watching" still for sale? (Me, I prefer the title cut....)

The following exchange happened when discussing the assignments for the year, and the "make-work" nature of the reshuffling.... Just Thinking: "This is different from rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic how?" My 3 Cents: "Because they didn't use string to line up the chairs on the Titanic."

I finally made the list! :D--> BTW, that "buzzkill" I was referring to was when people were having a good time, then some twi moglet arrived and declared it would be a meeting and started passing out songbooks...... ========================== Socks said the following on a Doctrinal thread, about vpw: "Wishing he was the man he knew to be was an ominous statement for him to make. Being the man he knew he shouldn't be affected his life's work."

Must have been blasphemy also to designate the passover lamb for sacrifice every year, too....let's be consistent, here..... Evan, I think you missed my earlier post, where I said I find this a lesser issue, and prefer we all just get along. It's on page 6, 6/13/04,

Well, the book was the same size as the others, but the movie was, what- 20 minutes shorter? That's not something you can make up easily. Book 4, "Goblet of Fire", is a lot bigger, and "Order of the Phoenix" is about the size of books 1-3 together. If they don't make the movies at least 2 hours long, they will chop too much out.

There wasn't that excuse in twi, even. Take a look at the documents section, and listen to the RealAudio clips. There's some on file there somewhere....

Not that I know of...I was just trying to cover all the bases. That or show off. Or both. :)-->

A while back we had a discussion comparing MLM groups like Amway with twi-anybody know what thread that was?

Wow. Turns out I could have saved a LOT of time. I alloted myself no less than 5 hours (usually 6-7) working on a teaching. (Anything after 5 hours was tightening it up and trimming unnecessary words, so when I spent 7 hours, it was shorter but more polished than 5 hours.) I first really heard that idea-that it was more important to read vpw's books than to do it yourself-months after I was OUT, by a LEADER who was OUT. Old habits die hard, it seems....

So were "Our Times", and "Turn Your Eyes Upon Jesus". I've got those somewhere...

By any chance, was that band called "Ezra"? I remember before '89, the 2 youngest people bands were Kerusso and Ezra. Ezra was heavy metal.

Is anyone here inclined to do a point-by-point comparison between this post and the early chapters of the Blue Book? "What We Believe=What we are" and so on?

He refused to let them call him GOOD, however... "Good master...?" "Why do you call me 'good'? There is none good, save one-God."

I once heard the following offhand description of "Unitarian Universalists", & knew I'd have to memorize it... "We don't care what you believe-just come to church."

You left out the discussion group discussing what should have been added to the list, the definition of a prophylactic as "a headgasket for a hot-rod", and why the high-five phrase "slip me some skin" can occasionally produce gales of laughter from recent grads. Some people also got to see vpw show a film clip involving some humans and one or more animals doing the horizontal mambo together. My class only had him describing it. (To this day, I ask..."WHY?") Oh, and the kicker: vpw explaining that "self-love" was the original sin in the Garden of Eden, but now it's perfectly fine to do....

I don't have the lyrics handy, but they're online for the searching. The THIRD VERSE we never sang-another section that contradicted session 1, segment 1. "I don't know about tomorrow, it may bring me poverty, But the one who feeds the sparrow is the one that cares for me..."

Ya know... as I was reading (well... skimming actually) the article I was thinking "I've seen this before somewhere"... and you're right... I think I'll go get my notes out and see if it matches... nah...I wonder if Steve C will come visit us over on the 9th Corps thread sometime? I recognized it INSTANTLY as having been covered in JAL's "WIll The Real You Please Stand Up?" , and was probably taken from lcm's teaching and written into the book. (That's the book that says "fear is sand in the machinery of life" twice, while mixing up the word order- "fear is sand in the life of machinery", "life is fear in the sand of machinery." I think those were the orders. :)--> ) And, yes, putting Desire before Decision suggests you're doing things you don't want to do, and stopping things you do, since they started with Desire.

You missed my point. They refer to other countries as "international countries", which is redundant, like the wet water, or the hot fire. (Or the "chorus choir".) The only thing I disagree with is that you left out the word "international" before the word "countries".