Oakspear

As a public service, I am posting several buzzwords that might get my fellow GSers riled up. Please get it all out of your system now. Feel free to add words. Father in the Word The Teacher "Doctor" Ubiquitous Throughly Absent Christ Mathematical Accuracy Handin a Glove That's riiiight Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

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Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

As Alice in Dilbert says "must control fist of death..." You may have no particular reason for p*ssing me off, and have no reason to care what I think, or what my opinion is, but you've done a thorough job of it. Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

Mike: Questions that I raised in my last post (other than the request for a Cliff's Notes version of your questions to DD and Zix) are rhetorical in nature, so don't stress out about answering them, okay? In fact, if you don't want to take the time to condense a version for me, I'll understand; but otherwise I just don't have the time to wade through those long posts. Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

Mike: My replies to you are in bold print. You original comments are left within the quote lines in regular type. So you are saying it's alright then? Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare [This message was edited by Oakspear on April 21, 2003 at 20:51.] [This message was edited by Oakspear on April 21, 2003 at 20:54.]

Mike, help me out here... are you saying that since Stiles, Kenyon et al were not in academia, and neither was Wierwille, then it was okay for him to copy what they wrote, often word-for-word and claim that it was own? Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

Mike, help me out here... are you saying that since Stiles, Kenyon et al were not in academia, and neither was Wierwille, then it was okay for him to copy what they wrote, often word-for-word and claim that it was own? Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare [This message was edited by Oakspear on April 21, 2003 at 1:27.]

Mike, help me out here... are you saying that since Stiles, Kenyon et al were not in academia, and neither was Wierwille, then it was okay for him to copy what they wrote, often word-for-word and claim that it was own? Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

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All translators and "versionators" from the first century up until Wierwille are suspect. Not necessarily wrong, but we can't trust them. I agree with that, Mike. Why should we trust that some guy with a Roman Catholic axe to grind would make accurate translations? Just because a guy was killed for making an English translation of the bible, that doesn't make him right. And even if we did have an original, and knew it was an original, how would we be able to tust the modern-day Aramaic translators? What a quandry. Yet, with all this skepticism about accuracy going on, somehow we're supposed to trust that Vic Wierwille was able to receive revelation from God and accurately pass it on to us. Yup, with all the clear evidence of plagarism and shoddy scholarship, this is the ONE GUY in TWO THOUSAND YEARS OF HISTORYto get it right. Hard to believe Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

Looks to me like Wordwolf's description is pretty accurate. Not the words Mike would pick, but accurate nonetheless. Mike does speak for himself, voluminously! The only difference with Wordwolf's description is that he presents Mike's position as a bad thing, while Mike would present the same position positively. Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

Regarding "Christ In You": Martindale taught that "Christ In You" was figure of speech because he was a literal man who could only be in one place at one time; the figure referred to us having the abilities, etc. of Jesus Christ. Don't know if Martindale's position accurately reflected Wierwille's teaching on this. Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

Yeah Steve!, that and ten bucks will get you into that bar we went to when I was in Chicago. Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

Tom's Bedtime CD Pick: Rick Wakeman's The Six Wives of Henry VIII. Very cool! I never got to see Wakeman live, the only time I saw Yes was when Wakeman was on the outs with the rest of the band during the Relayer tour and had Patrick Moraz on keyboards. Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

The Moody Blues played here in Lincoln last month, about 2 blocks from my house, but I couldn't get tickets. I'm listening to Spirit right now, a "best of" called Time Circle. Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

Yana: Journey hit the top 40 with Mr. Perry, but they were definitely a better band before he showed up. Rolle and Shoen (sp?) were refugees from Santana, and it showed. Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

I checked my phone book and there are some numbers written in red. Are these the phone numbers of Jesus? Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

So Wierwille had a recurring theme that there was a difference and opposition between the "spiritual" and the "five-senses". You think that this was hidden? I always thought this was pretty obvious after about a five minute exposure to anything he said or wrote. You don't need to examine lists of "code words" to figure this out, it's pretty plain. Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

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Tomorrow night is open stage night at Duggan's Pub here in Lincoln. One of the benefits of having Tuesdays off is that I can stay out late and watch the incredibly talented musicians that live in this town. The focus is on the blues, but country, rock, reggae and whatever else you can think of can be heard. There's no cover charge and the beer is reasonably priced. Anytime any of youse are passing by this way, arrange your schedule to get here on a Monday night and we'll do Duggan's :D--> Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

Tom's Bedtime CD Pick for tonight is the self titled premier album by Fine Young Cannibals. Great cover of Suspicious Minds. Roland Gift had quite the unique voice, but I don't know whatever happened to them. Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

Kathy: I agree with you about LCM not starting the ant-secular music thing, but I think there was an ambivalence about "wordly" music by Martindale and other top dogs in TWI. On the one hand you had Martindale talking about the hard-edged music that he listened to (mainly to have some common ground with his kids if I remember correctly); on the other hand you had teachings about "everything gives off something", and comments going back as far as Wierwille's Advanced Class about successful musicians being possessed, including Bach, Beethoven, and Mozart; on the gripping hand you had local Corps leaders interpreting and applying these "doctrinal" statements in the practical manner that fit with their own view of the bible. I never saw any real organized effort to eliminate secular music from wayfers' lives, but individuals did from time to time get on the Way Production-only bandwagon. Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare