Oakspear

Witchcraft isn't as exciting or glamorous (in either a positive or negative sense) as the media makes it out to be.

I hated caravans!

As I recall, the "teeth" directive was another example of Martindale saying something that he thought was humorous and it being taken as dead serious by the "leadership" (another example being when he referred to an aspect of Corps training as the WC Field program)He was telling us that it was a waste of time witnessing to the poor, i.e. those without cars and jobs, who couldn't get to classes or fellowship on their own anyway, and certainly couldn't afford to pay for anything. The reference to teeth was a lame attempt at being funny. The next thing you know it was being taken literally.

Davenport is just down the road from Orlando, 20 miles mebbe. Lake City is about 150 miles north of Orlando. We'll be in Lake City Thurs, Fri & Sat, and staying in the Orlando area Sunday, leaving Monday morning. Son of Oak says that we're setting up the reception room on Friday before doing a rehearsal. I'll be sure to bring my string for the chairs.

We're leaving Thursday morning (me, wife & stepdaughter). the wedding will actually be in Lake City, Florida. Due to the Navy making other plans for the Best Man, I'll be filling in.

"The Way Class" is the approved abbreviation for the Way of Abundance and Powe Class.

We heard similar things in our area in the late 90's He taught that since tithing pre-dated the Law administration, it was not affected by the Law being eliminated in the Grace administration. I recall that this video went out, and I also recall being told about it by our "leadership", but didn't notice any actual difference in how things were carried out

Some of us have attempted to interact with some of those kids who are "having a good time" on other message boards and on myspace. For a bunch of people who are in an organization that still claims to be teaching keys to understanding the bible, and still claims to be a research minsitry, they seemed pitifully unable to discuss why they believe that what they trumpet as truth is truth.

I hate to admit it, but even though I was never in the Way Corps, I plan for trips in an overly detailed manner.

What made me scratch my head on the decision to cancel the full-time Way Corps program was LCM's comment that we non-Corps would need to increase the percentage of our giving...that many people were barely tithing. And that if, in a few years, the Corps had to go back to 'secular' work, "we will have failed". One of his justifications to us that the decision to send them back out to work was beneficial was that the Corps would now be able to win people in the workplace that would not have previously heard 'the Word'.

I don't believe that there is one supreme being with the ultimate power to make those decisions and judgements, so therefore I don't believe that there is any tallying or scorekeeping going on. My opinion about what the afterlife is like is far from settled, but I think that we'll all be surprised to some extent.

You will drink coffee mwahahahahaha Better than Kool-Aid!

This statement agrees with what I personally observed, not only regarding TWI speaking in tongues, but tongues among Catholic charismatics, Pentecostals, and even some Pagans. People who had exposure to or familiarity with more than one language tended to have a broader range of sounds than those who spoke only English. The only time that I would hear glottal stops, harsh gutterals, clicks, or unusuallly shaped vowels would be when someone with a broad knowledge of language would speak in tongues.

Appropriate to the discussion... http://www.despair.com/demotivation.html

Galen: Even though you and I disagree on the value of what is taught in PFAL and Wierwille's doctrine in general, I do like your methods.

There are people who disagree with me :o

I agree with you to an extent, TWI leadership didn't tout nametags as an indicator of one's spirituality, but they did view graduation from certain classes and programs as proof that you had "arrived" at different spiritual levels. The nametag was the evidence of that. Many of us "on the field" got awfully obsessed with the nametag itself. However, during the last 1/2 decade of the Martindale years, the Big Forehead made several nametag changes to highlight some of his big organizational changes. Corps nametags no longer were white on green or green on white with the Corps number on it, they were a new color (kind of a bluish-grteen maybe?) with Way Corps II on each one. This coincided with Corps no longer being identified by Corps number in the Way rag, but by their year of graduation. New white on blue Advanced Class nametags were issued for grads of the WayAP advanced class. We were supposed to get rid of the old white on green advanced class nametags. I was reproved once for wearing my green one.

Takit toured in 1980 and '81. I recall seeing them in Cheyenne, Wyoming during the first half of my WOW year, which ran from Aug '80 - Feb '81. They were also playing at the big regional extravaganza in Minneapolis that was in the Spring of '81.Their music was similar to mainstream rock & roll. David garibaldi & Skip Mesquite were in the band, as were Danny Hoefer, Dan Moran & Dean Ellenwood.

Sure, I thought so too, but the story was an illustration of Allan's position of "manifestations", so I took it at face value

I thought you were straining at a wasp? :lol: But seriously, it's not straining at gnats when one wants to honestly make sense out of spiritual matters. In your illustration, God gave you revelation, or information, or whatever you want to call it, when you needed it. You didn't have to will to receive it or anything like that. And who says that that's what Word of Knowledge and Word of Wisdom are anyway? Neither are defined in the bible. One can make suppositions or inferences that such-and-such record is "Word of Knowledge", but then you're circularly making the illustration of the definition fit the definition, which is based on the illustration... Are you seriously suggesting ("To me, the Word of God makes absolute sense, fits like a hand in a glove etc..and I'm sure as hell thankful a man 'plagerised' works to make it known.") that God couldn't have showed you the wasp and told you what to do about it without PFAL? I doubt that you intend to, but that's the message that your words convey. From your posts you seem like a guy who accepts what God has to give him, sees signs, miracles and wonders, and lives life in a fairly uncomplicated God-centered lifestyle. But that's not what Vic Wierwille taught. PFAL was all about formulas, and definitions, and putting the minutia of "the Word" before simple love. Heck, he taught for hours in the Advanced Class about distinctions between Word of Knowledge and Word of Wisdom. Who gives a rat's foot? You don't appear to, but this is the guy who you're so thankful for. Just some semi-random thoughts

the active wayfers were a pitifully small group here in Nebraska when I left in 2001. I think I'd know the innies.At the time of POP there were several wayfers with window washing companies, one at least was doing an offshoot twig at least up through the late 90's

I have some familiarity with this kinda stuff :B)

A regular customer approached me today and asked me if I was a PFAL grad. He's been coming into my store for several years, and he's always looked familiar. His wife had been in my twig back in 1981; he had not been active at the time. He got back involved in 1983, just when I was leaving the first time. He left after the demand for loyalty by Loy, I got back in in 1990. We chatted a little bit, he was completely ignorant of anything that happened after he left The store's plumber was also in TWI when I was. Every time I see a window washer, I'm sure that he's ex-Way

Me too! Is it significant that he is from another country? I mean, does he point out that the way things were done in his previous country are THE way to do things and that American ways are inferior? How does this affect you? Other than thenatural revulsion that comes from working with someone like this. What kind of lies? Are the lies believed? And well they should, if they have no evidence of wrongdoing. If they have proof that he is stealing, he can be fired, no matter what his race, gender, etc. as far as coming in late, does anyone else get away with the same thing? Even five minutes late?

There we disagree my associate from the Southern Hemishpere