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mike, you have your beliefs, and thats good with me, but some of those things sounds crazy. I'm just curious if you really believe them. as far as picking out a couple, how about these. Mike has stated that Christ is currently learning from PFAL and will be teaching from PFAL materials when he returns. ""Mike has stated that: PFAL is 'God's Word reissued'. no interrogation from me.

""Mike has stated that: PFAL is 'God's Word reissued'. Mike has stated that this means we don't need any versions of the Bible anymore, only PFAL.* Mike has stated that PFAL is the Word of God, that the Holy Spirit has provided us with His Word in written form in PFAL, and it (PFAL) carries all the authority of God Almighty. Mike has offered a 'Table of Challenge' (which he claims exposes things which some would prefer to keep hidden away) so that we may have access to his advanced abilities and approval. Mike has stated that Christ is currently learning from PFAL and will be teaching from PFAL materials when he returns. Mike has stated that betraying Dr's revelations is betraying God. Mike has stated that you just need to feed that Christ inside with the pure Word of PFAL. Mike has stated that studying PFAL will defeat death. "" Mike. Do you really believe these things? I mean its ok if you used to and don't now, and its ok if you still do. Im just curious. I like to get as much first hand info as possible.

it kinda makes sense, drugs can keep God from working in people, so why couldn't a drug keep a devil spirit from working in people? if the spirit is trying to cause pain, and the person is on a pain killer then the spirit would be hindered.

EB... any more of a hint as to who this is.. or if not who it is,,, are they still in a leadership position at TWI?

thanks amigo...

im lost who is the new leader and what position do they actually have? thanks

dooj, and he's going to have to have sex with a lot of ladies now.

one time i used visulaize instead of believing. i said, "im visualizing seeing you at the AC special" the person i said it to replyed, "you mean believing?" i was just trying to be creative. I felt like I had used the word blessed so damn much at the advanced class, i was sick of it.

(((((rainbow))))) I just don't think that the actuall date of his birthday matters. I'm glad you like to study those things. But no one can prove what date it actually was. Why would God put any importance on something that is so five senses any way? The point is Jesus WAS born, not WHAT DAY he was born. Just my opinion. And as tragic as the 9-11 events were, and as much as it affected me, you, our country, and the world. I still do not think it's the worst tradgedy to ever hit human kind.

knowing the ACTUAL birthdate of Jesus makes me feel so complete. I know God will give me extra presents when I get to heaven because I know Jesus' birthday. Oh, and 9/11 is the worst tradgedy to ever happen to any group of people in the history of the world, so of course the devil would have about 3000 people die on that day to really upset God and Jesus and ruin his Birthday.

Many people, leadership, were on board with him 100%. Remember the letter he sent out? It was not just his views, it was the ministrys views. Why were they on board? Maybe had something to do with that whole Man of God teaching that TWI loved to promote.

chas.. i think your topic is great. actually im not sure what you originally wrote.. but here is what i noticed on wik... The information on wikipedia makes it seem like martindale was the only one who held the idiotic beliefs in TWI. for example. the following is from here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Way_International The "Purge" During the Rock of Ages festival in August 1994, President L. Craig Martindale convened closed meetings of first The Way Corps, then Advanced Class graduates, and also veterans of the W.O.W. Ambassador program. The subject was his belief that homosexuals, who Martindale categorized as "the lowest of the low", had infiltrated the W.O.W. program and the "ministry" at large. He described this "infiltration" as "an attack of the Adversary" (the Devil) and outlined steps to combat what he saw as a major problem. He also sent a letter to Way Corps members covering the same subjects. The letter contained explicit language regarding the subject. The Way had always been against homosexuality. In previous years, it would take being caught "in the act" for a follower to be "Marked and Avoided". Now, however, Martindale instituted what was called a "genuine spiritual suspicion" as grounds for investigating someone's sexual orientation. In addition to active homosexuals, Martindale targeted what he called "homo sympathizers" and "homo fantasizers". This was connected to Martindale's goal of ridding The Way of those who practiced "the three kinds of evil" [defined by The Way as: phaulos - unproductive evil, poneros - harassing evil, kakos - destructive or violent evil]. The following years saw many "confrontation sessions" convened to "smoke out", as Martindale termed it, those who were weak, evil, or not willing to "do The Word". "Mark & Avoid" and "Spiritual Probation" increased markedly. Martindale's view that homosexuality was the Devil's strategy for destroying The Way manifested itself in his Way of Abundance and Power class. This is where he taught the original sin of mankind was Eve having lesbian sex with the Devil, who appeared in the form of a woman. interesting that it is now "martindales views" guess what. It is TWI's views. That is what TWI believes. as if every horrible thing TWI did was ALL martindales idea/fault. what a joke. this is reason #1 why I left TWI. They can't fess up to thier mistakes. Read my post in the open forum. I made a huge mistake in my relationship. You know what I did. I came clean. I admitted what i did was wrong and I am willing and prepared to go through the consequences even if it costs me everything.

had our first counsiling session today. it went well. we both got a chance to get some stuff out. I really think that we have got a good chance to work this out.

i told my g/f everything we are now trying to work things out we are seeing a counsiler i am amazed at: how much hurt i have caused how hurt i was how much i wanted her to find out how that every sexual partner i have had in life (a total of 5) has been a negative experiance for me i will add to this as i think more. thanks for the replys thanks for the pm's ps.. it felt so good to be honest, as much as it hurt her/us. no matter what happens from now, i know that I am not a liar. I could not keep anything from her. I couldn't keep the truth from her. The truth about my pain and my actions

it is a cultural thing. the culture of stupidity. when i was a kid (bout 11-12 years old) I caught a bee, wasp, yellow jacket, and hornet. I put them in a jar, shook the jar and waited to see who would win the "fight". After, about 30 seconds of watching these insects flop around the jar, and move about in a very disoriented way, I felt really bad. So I put the jar down, opened the lid and ran away. I realized that doing that sort of thing was stupid. Fortunatly the insects didn't fight each other. They all flew away, a bit shaken I presume, but alive. I couldn't imagine doing that to a dog. It's wrong. ---- BUT, It's not like he got in a car drunk and killed a mother and her son like Leanord Little did. (Little is a football player for the Rams. He killed two people as a drunk driver and did not get suspended by the league like Mike Vick did). Someone made the argument that Vick did what he did on purpose, and Little did what he did "under the influnece"... So it's not like Little meant to kill those people. To me, Vick is under the influence of stupidity. But what he did is not as bad as what Little did. ---- AND, It seems to me that the only reason the Feds went after Vick so hard is because of the Money involved. If they were just fighting dogs, and no money was involved the case wouldn't have been as big. to me thats a bit off. Not 100% sure im right on this, but if i am, I'm dissapointed.

i love las vegas. I gamble, do drugs, and have sex with women. but i don't drink.

I'm coming out as a person who has realized that denial is a lot like therapy, but cheaper and as someone who wishes he had the mitochondria of an insect.

science is religion

shaz- i don't think she has been having sex with anyone else. But if I found out she was, I'd actually be happy. At least there would be nothing wrong with her. dan- feeling free and being free aren't the same. i just feel it right now. out there- yup, no vows. I refuse to seriously consider marriage until im at least 30,,, now im thinking 35. pond- I was just talking to someone about this, they had a different opinion. They said during and after sex is where you are most connected and vulnerable and you need sex in a relationship to get through tough times. Not thats its the only thing, but a relationship is like baking, if you screw up one ingrediant, it doesn't work... bramble- I think that when I told my current G/F i loved her. I meant it, i basically felt since I said it, I could never deviate from her. Sort of that idiotic loyalty thing I picked up in TWI (stick w/ the ministry that taught you the word type of stuff). So I expected she felt the same way, now she does love me. But our expectations are just at different levels I guess. Rejoyce- maybe its comfort or convienance that makes us want to deny the reality of our situations. Thanks for sharing, and yeah, i got time. Mister P-Mosh- Thing is i haven't been involved with TWI for 6 years. But me doing what I did this weekend really made me feel like I have gotten over all the crap. And now I have a free feeling. I feel more open with people, more ready to take on projects at work... it's really wierd. cman- I do think I wronged my girl. But i don't feel bad about it. I don't think I was wrong for being wrong. I do feel bad though. I never wanted this... but on the other hand I can't control what my g/f wants. I have no control over her. doojable- what I want? this is a real general list. 1. Be happy 2. Be healthy 3. Love others 4. Do what I can to help others enjoy being around me. I want my g/f to be happy. and if thats with me, then i hope we can work it out, if its not with me, then to bad, and the same goes for me. sudo- yeah i really don't know if i can ask for advice. I just kinda wanted to say it, and see what people's general thoughts were. people on this forum are pretty smart imo. we all have similar backrounds too. I actually approve of what I have done, but it just wasn't my first option. waysider- ya, i don't have any answers either, but thanks for saying that. makes me feel like i'm normal. ya, and mid-life crisis (bad choice of words) or not, it just feels wierd, and good.

offically i got out of TWI when i was 22. I have been with my G/F for 3 1/2 years. I never even looked at another woman. the last 2 years we've been intamate less than 12 times. i have told her in every way possible that i need affection. I have finally been at peace with the fact that I hate what TWI stood for in my life. I have accepted many things, and rejected many things. This last weekend I met another woman. We slept together. I had more sexual contact this last weekend then i've had in the last 2 years combined. It was the best time i've ever had sexually. I felt free. I can't explain it. She made me feel so special, and I made her feel so good. I did not realized how starved I had become. Now I feel liberated. I don't feel bad. I don't feel guilty. But now I feel like my life has to move forward. I feel like I am capable of anything, good/bad. I have a bit of panic/motivation to do things I need to do, ideas are flowing. I have told my G/F that i am going to move out, but i haven't told her about the sex. She left to NY for all of november, she went to vegas twice, and she went to cancun for a week, all without me. She said "we're not married". She was right. We are good, no arguments. Why do I feel so good about being wrong. Why does it feel like wrong is good for me. Why do I feel like I needed this. I had never even wanted to touch another woman, but this woman was perfect. In ever way. She wanted, needed and had to have JUST like me. She made me feel valid. I am almost high thinking about it. I feel wanted, needed.

this sucks,,, but... as a side note,,, the last episode of entorage made a reference to this very dolphin.. any one else catch it?

excellent post sat.. thank you, i use itunes all the time, but i never noticed this, am currently download as much of this stuff as i can. this stuff is better than TV anyday

did she mean worse? pretty interesting dot.

What do you think about Biblical Accurracy?, It isn't. The Importance of Being Right It doesnt matter.

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