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Schwaigers, Nice to see you!!!!!! How are you doing? I don't think its suppose to have sound but yes, it would be quite funny if it did!!!!

exactly and very well said housisarockin. I also want to say how much I appreciate the kindness and support that most have given me in here and in the gs community. It has been very very healing for me. You guys are great!!!!

The perfect ending would have been for fraser and roz to get together for good. They had some good chemistry going.

they must have been listening to those tapes way to long... :D-->

Dougie is married to donner? I don't think his wife or her husband would like that to much tom... ;)-->

I remember living down south for years. I didn't want to get a southern accent but get it I did. When I got home to visit everyone couldn't get over the accent. It was gone after being with them several days. I didn't do it on purpose it just happened. I have to laugh now thinking about that southern accent.

oops sorry

Got to get those books since JC will be holding the PFAL book when he comes to get us... :P-->

John and OM, this is not group thinking. This stuff is real!!!!

oh yes, excie, I forgot about the reason to service the mog. It was so they could do Gods work. That we were to bless the mog so they could continue to help others. Sick!!!!! Thanks for the hug!!!!

And fyi om, rascal is not being dramatic. This stuff is real and honest.

I know, dot it was a weird ending. I heard that fraser might start another fraser sitcom in the future. I'm thinking in a year or two he will start again only that it will be in san fransisco. But did he end up in chicago or san fran? I know I am confused also. Kind of a bummer ending, don't you think? Although, having a baby at the vets was pretty funny.

I don't think om realizes the humiliation that women went through if they didn't follow through. I was called upon in front of the whole corps and screamed at railed at. I was devestated. It does something to your psych when you are so degraded. Women were so second class in twi. Doncha know that we were there just for the mog? You know after 17 years you would think I would be totally away from all this and then something hits me and then its there all of a sudden. But it gets less intense as time goes on. OM, as a woman if you didn't follow through with things you were outcast. You really did lose everything if you had been in twi for many years. I was totally dependant on twi. I had separated from my family and friends. I did keep in touch with one friend but she totally didn't understand what I was in. So to leave twi was something that was not in the cards for me for many years. I was scared of leaving that the hedge of protection would not be there when I left twi. Since I would not be ABSing to twi I totally believed that I would die. So when I did leave I was waiting to die. I had finally gotten to the place of willing to die rather than be in that position of twi anymore. When I left all my loved ones that I thought was family in twi turned on me and it was said I was possessed. I really believed that they were still the mog and believed that I was possessed for many years. Call me stupid if you want. I say I was very gullible and vulnerable.

Yes, the five senses stuff. I remember only too well. I remember feeling bad about stuff the mog told me to do and was told that it was like being sick and my body having to upchuck it to get the poisen out. That I needed to get rid of the five senses thinking. Now if you believed the five senses stuff was not something to keep because it was poisen and was told to sevice the mog, the poisen would be that you were thinking bad thoughts of servicing and would have to throw out those thoughts and just do it. So OM even though it didn't make any sense but was told these things over the years wouldn't it be that these things actually did happen and is a form of abuse?

((((((((((rascal))))))))))) I too was ordered to have an abortion. Although, I didn't have one I lived in guilt waiting for what they told me to happen. Leader**** told me that my baby would either have a serious birth defect or born again of the wrong seed. There are things I've been told to do from the mog that I did and still sometimes the old stuff of the past comes to haunt me. I believed at the time that it was from God only to find out that it wasn't from God but from men that only wanted to control me. I got in twi as a teen and I guess that was the most vulnerable time as I didn't know things of the world. I had been sheltered all my life and was pretty innocent. So when the mog said that you were suppose to jump I did thinking my life would be blessed. About having my baby though it did have an effect on me. My daughter has bipolar and I have/had lived in guilt for many years thinking it was my fault. But I have to tell you that she is a christian and loves God with all her heart. Still to this day it still comes to haunt me. She is 17 years old now. Although, in my heart I know that it was not from God what the mog told me to do it still bothers me. I still remember some leaders that did come on to me but really I was so innocent that I didn't even know it and so didn't respond. Now that I'm a lot older I realize what it was but at the time didn't even know. If I hadn't been so sheltered and so innocent I may have been one of those that would have succumbed to all the physical abuse. Gosh, OM I just have a hard time believing that you don't realize what was and still is going on with twi. Either your a pretty dense guy or your living in a state of total denial. I'm sorry, I don't mean to put you down but really, it was all around you and you didn't even see it? You still believe after all this time that women really wanted to have sex with a wrinkled old man? Gross!!!!

vpw's accent was the same as my mother's side of the family. They were miners in PA...the accent is poor german american.

Steve, I was hoping he had a human side to him... :(-->

OM, You need to realize that people in twi came from all walks of life. Not all knew that the mog was suppose to keep their pants zipped. Also, for women its totally different..you need to place yourself in their shoes. If they were taught that it was a sin to mess with a married man before twi and then learned to trust it would change everything. They trusted their mog totally. I know as a singe woman in most of the years I was in twi, twi I was taught to service the mog. My service wasn't sexual but I know a friend of mine was. She was totally devestated by it. It took time for it to begin. When she revealed what was going on to me she was at a point of having a nervous breakdown. It was totally different for a woman we were primed for it and it did take time. Trust is a big thing here, om...even if we were taught differently, it changes after years of indoctrination. Also, we are not just talking about a married man. We are talking about a person that was suppose to be a mog. Men we thought were walking for God. I remember being told several times through the years that if a mog tells you to jump off the cliff not to ask questions just jump. God would protect you if that mog was wrong because it was God's will for us to do whatever the mog wanted.

3 cents, at that time I was just a lowly twigite. My opinion of joe and linda as a teen at that time-I thought they were pretty nice. But, I was only a teen at that time.

david, I've seen her on television. When I first heard of her it was through my mother. She had bought some listening tapes for me on depression. It was well worth it to listen to them.

Not to offend our gay guys out there because I love you guys but maybe lcm liked his tights way to much? He could be on the effiminate (spelling, ugh) side of gay. Way too funny, darryl!!!!!!!!!

I also like joyce meyer...she is very down to earth, has some great things to share, and is humerous and understanding!!!

weird promotion...lol I don't think of going to burger king for a chicken sandwich, do you?

Joe C. was my either bc or lc (don't remember which since it was many moons ago) like in '74, I think, in seattle...does anyone else remember?

Roy, Sorry to have missed your birthday!!! Hope you had a real nice day!!!!!