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A fictional creation citing a fictional creation. The greatest trick the evil ever pulled was convincing the world the devil does exist, thus absolving them of responsibility for the evil that they do.

Change VPW to Paul and you all will be where I am today. Just saying.

The bibliography was fine. The arguments in the book were weak. Which is not to say ALL of the arguments were weak. Some were quite good. But taken as a whole, weak. The CES book was MUCH better, though it dishonestly did not cite Wierwille's book in its bibliography.

Jesus Christ is Not God did indeed have a bibliography. However, oddly, it was published separately and only available upon request. I used to have it. Some interesting resources there. As a work of scholarship, it was exceedingly weak.

The Bible is an especially helpful guide to the moral development of Western civilization. But (as we are exploring in another thread) it is not as much a source of objective morality as it is a reflection of the subjective morality of its day. It's got plenty of noble precepts that are not bound by the times in which they were written, along with some horrible stuff that is absolutely bound by its time.

Having re-read the thread, I found this worth repeating, even though it wasn't many posts ago. On another front, I did take some time to consider whether my views here were myopic (maybe that's the wrong word, but I'll explain). If it is true that I am guilty of looking at things only from a temporal perspective instead of from an eternal perspective (which is to say, God's point of view), then maybe I really am being a little too hard on Him. If God kills a man, only to grant that man eternal life, then has God wronged that man? If God orders Israelites to kill women and children (and according to scripture, he did exactly that), then grants eternal life to the children, has He really wronged the children? Is it not the case that the person who suffered the most was the soldier who had to carry out the executions? So maybe the criticism that I have failed to take the eternal perspective into account has some merit.

I remember Eric Carmen. He's the guy who had that hit in the 1980s called "Turn the Radio Up." Of course, that song is impossible to find nowadays because like a fool, he gave it the wrong NAME. He seems to think it's called "Make Me Lose Control," which is totally NOT the line everyone remembers. It would be on a list of Greatest Misnamed Songs, for songs remembered by lines rather than titles. Prime Example: "Never Gonna Dance Again," by Wham! Some a-hole in marketing called that one "Careless Whisper.'

I think he would have been MORE successful, as it would have shown that he was separating the baby from the bathwater, as it were.

I think part of the point of portraying gay relationships in such a matter of fact way is to "normalize" them, to show that they are just a part of the fabric of life. This couple is a couple. So is that couple. And that one. And only one of the three is a heterosexual couple. Got a problem with that? Watch a different show! In a different context, we used to refer to it as "mainstreaming." For example, the family featured in a newspaper article about small business growth or tax credits for private school education just happens to be black or Hispanic or Asian. The article is not ABOUT the fact that they're b/h/a. They're affected by the issue. The article is about the issue. Did you see the last Rocky movie, Creed? It's a black movie. Well, not really. It's a movie. It just happens to be about black people. And Rocky. No one thinks of it as a black movie, but it is. (My prediction, by the way, is that in the Creed sequel, Rocky dies). Where was I? Oh, mainstreaming. The idea behind mainstreaming is, for example, that not every movie about a black man's struggle has to be about The Black Man's Struggle. Not every article about Latinos running small businesses and navigating the system has to be about Latinos Running Small Businesses. Not every storyline featuring gay people is about their homosexuality. It's about the story. The characters in it just happen to be gay. Or not.

Why not have a Monel-X? Why not Barry? Why not Wells? Why not just make them close friends? I get that it served the plot, but the plot would have proceeded just fine with them as close friends and allies. Would Barry do less for Killer Frost?

I will have a more complete answer later, but allow me to ask you a question. Why did you have no qualms at all about alt-Oliver and alt-Supergirl being in a romantic relationship, but you wonder whether Captain Cold being gay was necessary to the plot (you know, aside from the fact that it's the reason he and his boyfriend were on the wrong side of the Nazis)? One relationship gets away without a mention. The other is questioned. I found Sara and Alex hilarious. Sara is a conquer-her, Alex is vulnerable and on the rebound. What, you thought nothing would happen? CAMMAN!!! (say it out loud).

For what it's worth, I saw nothing snarky in Rocky's reply to the original post. Socrates, one thing is for certain from where I sit: The way you responded to Rocky makes me extremely unlikely to reply to anything you post here. Now I'm going to brace myself for a nasty comeback, but boy would I be pleasantly surprised if you prove me wrong.

Outstanding

Gaston was from Ladyhawke

Yes.

Minutes from finishing.

Incorrect. Anyone else have a guess? Anyone? Anyone?

Regarding Doctrinal:

Regarding "Questioning Faith"

Roles played by _____ Eugene Morris Jerome Michael McPhee Gaston (not THAT Gaston) Clark Kellogg Niko Tatopoulos

Tony Shaloub

Does he know how to get to the airport? Does he even understand colors?

I'm looking through my Vudu account for some more favorites. I'm not going to include blockbusters. Those are like R,S,T,L,N and E on Wheel of Fortune. Just get them out of the way. Here are some others you may or may not have even seen: Benny and Joon Creed (the best Rocky movie since Rocky) Good Will Hunting The Edge (Anthony Hopkins, Alec Baldwin and Bart the Bear) Shattered Glass Quick Change Manhunter (aka, the first Hannibal Lecter movie, which starred Brian Cox, not Anthony Hopkins). Finding Forrester Heat (Pacino and DeNiro's first on-screen meeting) Groundhog Day Dead Poets Society The Dead Zone Halloween

I didn't think about it that way, JJ, but you're right. This article is nearly as political in nature as it is doctrinal. Considering that it didn't spark a fight or anything, I'll leave it be. But thanks for pointing it out. We'll be careful to monitor that line between faith and politics to make sure Greasespot's rules are followed. I don't think they were broken here, but the potential was far more obvious than I recognized when it was originally posted.