Raf

David, A couple of things here. First: the fact that you're willing to put your name behind your testimony, as opposed to a handle like "bluzeman" or "zixar" is unimpressive and proves nothing. Second: Lawyers like eyewitness testimony in some regards because it is unreliable and can veer a jury away from the provable facts of a case. I covered a trial involving two vehicles, one of which was going in the wrong direction on the highway. Accident reconstruction experts established beyond any shadow of a doubt which car was going the wrong way, but the eyewitness testimony was conflicting (some agreed with the experts; some did not). The jury acquitted the guy who was going the wrong way because the eyewitnesses did not agree (never mind that it was scientifically impossible for the defendant to be innocent: God bless the eyewitnesses)! All of which is designed to say this: Penta Water is bunk. It doesn't work because it can't work. The science you've quoted to us is flawed, and dispassionate people who've looked at this all come out saying the same thing: it's bunk. The only people saying otherwise are the people selling it and the people who desperately want to believe it. Your appeals to scripture are irrelevant. I can get 5,000 people to swear on a stack of Bibles that they saw David Copperfield turn a monkey into a swatch. All it means is they all saw the same illusion: it doesn't make the illusion real. My name is Rafael Olmeda. And Penta Water is bunk.

JFK Kevin Bacon tee hee hee Hollow Man

Mike: "PFAL is God-breathed." Wierwille: "No, it's not." Who you gonna believe?

AWESOME!

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skyrider: by searching Wierwille's works, Mike thinks he IS searching the scriptures. I cannot think of a bigger waste of time than ferreting out the uses of exception and distinction in the works of VPW to determine why he made what any third grader can tell you was a stupid mistake. Correction: I CAN think of a bigger waste of time than ferreting out the uses of exception and distinction in the works of VPW to determine why he made what any third grader can tell you was a stupid mistake. A bigger waste of time than ferreting out the uses of exception and distinction in the works of VPW to determine why he made what any third grader can tell you was a stupid mistake would be convincing Mike that there's no bigger waste of time than ferreting out the uses of exception and distinction in the works of VPW to determine why he made what any third grader can tell you was a stupid mistake.

Bullinger was more clear than Wierwille on the topic, but it really was much ado about nothing. I received my copy of PFAL after Wierwille died, and it still had "all without distinction." I cannot speak for later editions. JCING has "all with a distinction." SINCE Wierwille did not consider his works God-breathed, it was never an issue, and "you know what I meant" is a perfectly satisfying answer to me.

Mannn, this is gonna be GOOD!

Just a note: I looked up cessationism and realized that, although I personally prefer the term, it is incorrect for this discussion. Annihilationist is the correct term. A cessationist believes the "gifts of the spirit" (or manifestations: let's not get into that here) ceased with the first century. An annihilationist believes that hell is not literal.

The Gathering Together. Oops, I meant... The Rapture David Duchovny Evolution

Babylon Mystery Religion, by Ralph Woodrow. Retracted in "The Babylon Connection?" (the ? is part of the title. I'm not asking).

Is that right? Hmph. I'll have to give those tapes another listen. Or i could just discard them entirely. :)--> My name is Rafael Olmeda And Penta Water is bunk.

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Ever come across an interesting tidbit of info that you just KNOW would surprise the bejeezus out of people? The lady who played the Irish woman on Titanic, the one who puts her kids to bed while the ship is sinking, is the same lady who played the tougher-than-tough Vasquez in Aliens. I'll bet you didn't know that. What do you know?

Oh yeah? Well, what's his name?

It strikes me that Hannegraff's comments are pure P.I. He draws a false comparison, arguing that "eternal reward" is a parallel to "eternal punishment," when annihilationists (I prefer the term "cessationists") believe the comparison is between "eternal life" and "eternal death." (ignoring the "eternal" argument for the sake of this post). "We would be FORCED to say that God shouldn't extend eternal bliss to finite creatures." Right, Hank. That's, umm, well, it's kind of why we call it GRACE!

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A good trial lawyer will tell you that juries believe eye witnesses over double-blind, placebo studies. Such a trial lawyer is insulting juries. We're supposed to believe this stuff now because of the insults leveled at juries by trial lawyers? My name is Rafael Olmeda, and Penta Water is bunk.

Oldiesman, If one holds to the view that the historic Jesus was misrepresented by those who came to revere him, it would be easy to acknowledge him as a great rabbi without thinking him lunatic, liar, legend or lord.

Tim Robbins Mystic River Sean Penn (I was going to be mean and put Emily Rossum, but naaaah).

Are you asking? Or is that rhetorical. Chris Geer had two more trustees installed after POP: Johnny Townsend and Ricardo Caballero. They both got kicked out in the 1989 purge. To the best of my knowledge, Townsend remained a Geer loyalist. I have no idea what happened to Caballero, or if my info on Townsend is still valid (it was 10 years ago).

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Jude Law is in The Aviator. He plays Errol Flynn. He was also in... every other movie released in 2004? It seems that way. Sky Captain Alfie Closer You might remember him from A.I.