Juan Cruz

But Trefor, how can you keep up on the Word of God profitably divided?

3rdof4, I liked your first sentence and your last sentence. The rest (oh, how can I be charitable?) made me yearn for a rope burn.

As much as I hate to help anyone read TWI hate-laced literature, here are lengthy excerpts from that article http://www.geocities.com/fdocc3/mc.htm just musing here: One of the best ways to deprogram oneself is to learn to enjoy imagination - one's own and others. Your "correct" doctrine and the "Word's integrity" don't need no stinking help from nobody. You got a problem with bodies rising up and entering the city? I think it’s great! (“gasp!”). Yea, and I think saints in perfect form after a century or two of noncorruption is great too! (enjoying imagining discomforted fundamentalists, so keeps going, wickedly). Yea, and I think Mel’s drop of water belongs in the Word of God too! - right next to Martin Luther King Jr.’s “Letter from a Birmingham Jail!” NOW I’ve gone too far? If you think so, YOU’RE RACIST! (just kidding) (done with fundy baiting for tonight) Don't take yourself and your God so seriously, remember this is the Bible that has Rachel bleeding on her dad's Gumby collection. This is one very funny book (though Psalms make me cry). Juan, don't post this.. people without imagination are very sensitive. You will lose credibility. You come across as condescending and patronizing. "Oh come on, the girls just wanna have fun." No, you can't "bait" people regarding their religious beliefs. But surely they can enjoy a bit of a laugh at their own expense? I promise they can make fun of me for something. How about: for reading the Bible every day without believing that it all "fits together" so nicely? You know what it is? It's Mike. He drives me crazy. I don't read his stuff..but just knowing he's out there, and he's serious. That's scary to me. Well now, I think the two of you should sit down and have some Earl Gray. No! I promise I'll be good! Are the Dead Alive Now? (in case you forgot the opening of this post, I am here coming back to the topic again). Well, I do think of Mom everyday. Will I see her again? I'll leave that up to the Boss -but I DO want to see that twelve-fruited tree (Rev. 22:2). Don't tell me THAT is just a figure of speech. It's almost the only verse in the Bible I take literally. Does it have watermelons and pineapples? Or just a bunch of orientalisamish fruits that I’ve never heard of or, at least, have never bought in the produce section?

I liked what this guy had to say. What do you think? [This message was edited by Juan Cruz on March 07, 2004 at 14:03.]

Trefor, Of course you're right but "Are The Dead Conscious Spiritual Entities At This Time?" would not look as good on the dust jacket.

Can I reject a verse or two from Romans 1? They sound like Baptist B.S. to me.

Reality check time: Doesn't humilty force us all to step back a second and admit that we haven't got a clue!?! We might as well live as though we do (live forever) -you know courageously giving our hearts and all, and not being afraid to die. AND as though we don't. "You only live once. Go for the gusto." So, I'm living as though I will and I won't I keep this schitzoid mindset to myself so nobody knows (until now, that is) What were we talking about? Are they alive now? Why does it matter? - oh, that's right, the inegrity of the Word. Is it so fragile it needs constant shoring up? Well, since that issue no longer occupies my mind, I guess I really, really don't care about the health of the dead. I do think that every psychic that has ever lived is a fraud.

I LOVED the "exactness" of TWI's pseudo-studies. I remember we stayed up most of the night studying the diff. between heteros and allos in Galatians once after VP obfuscated it royally. Not that genuine Greek scholarship isn't valuable... but re:the New Knoxville brand.. I gotta imagine God both laughed and cried that night.

This one by Rascal is the one that really hit me. So true. So sick. deep in the pit of your stomach sick. Our innards were trying to tell us something! I can still feel the pain, (hunching over). We weren't witnessing our faith in God, no, not at all -- We were selling TWI product. I'm so glad I finally learned the difference. I can share the love of God now with everyone - with great pleasure and joy -- cause I'm not selling them anything which was nothing but some glitzed-over, two-bit, easy answers "from the Bible" (sort of), hack pseudo-intellectual, cut-you-off-from-neighbors-family-freinds-community-church crap anyway. If people want to come to church and worship with me, fine (and they do and I'm thrilled to be able to share it with them because it's our best for His Highest.). some stick around; others to go another way; God-led, I'm confident. I'm not a pius pimp any more. God "saved a wretch like me" (from TWI)

Garth, I was accompany you for paragraphs 1-6. Your rationalism had made desire to say to you, "Oh Garth, just go see it, you big kitty cat."

Once, a young man, I prayed a very serious heart-anxious prayer."Lord, do not let me ever be a cop-out on You." God kept my prayer for years later when I found the way out of the Way. Thank you, Lord Jesus. So Craig, rejoice and be very glad the Way calls you a cop-out, it is a good thing. You have been very sick in spirit. I know for I saw and heard you. I hope you are healing. All the best, Juan

I saw this film this morning. It is good. I, too, worry about what ignorant people might surmise regarding Jews role then and today. However, this film is muddling the role of the Jews just as in the gospel, I think. It is depicting Pilate's dilemma well. I was also worried to be crying in public, but I did not. I only teared when Mary remembers running to pick up her little boy fallen. I could have been in whatever movie. I like the pieta in the frames penultimate. It was typical Hollywood (not outstanding creative) which I am given up on. But as the devout Christian - I liked it anyway. Hollywood has no longer values for my time or money. Last movie I liked is Beautiful Mind. I am glad I went to The Passion though. St. Ignatius Loyola instructs in "Spiritual Exercises" to use the imagaination for meditate on the passion. Mr. Gibson is helping my Lent. I got "dirty foreheaded" last night too. I am a Way survivor. Down with bondage! Down with studies that are only to titillate and puff up pride. Down with a gospel without sacrifice. Up with truth which sets free. Thank you, Juan [This message was edited by Juan Cruz on February 27, 2004 at 6:24.]