Stayed Too Long

Dave Allen…Irish comedian

I can understand where you are coming from making such a statement, since believer’s think one can only experience joy by what is written in a book written thousands of years ago. They rationalize the only way of knowing if something is right or wrong is by reading it chapter and verse from this book. They also must read, apparently, what joy is to bevable to experience it. As an atheist I can tell you i have not experienced so much joy since no longer relying on god. I find joy in everyday living doing the things necessary to live. Family and friends play a significant role in my happiness and it doesn’t matter what their religious beliefs might be. Plus I no longer have to be concerned if I am pleasing god or not.

The importance of not losing one’s rewards is one of the hooks TWI uses to trap people into remaining in the group. You will always be in the body of Christ when you believe Romans 10: 9&10, but then also apart of the household of God. And from this point you will be accumulating spiritual rewards based on your actions within the household of God. At the final judgement these earned rewards will be given to you to enjoy for eternity. However, there is one caveat to receiving your reward, and that is you must remain active in the household od God your entire life. This is interpreted as remaining in TWI until you die, and if not your rewards will be jerked from you. Unfortunately, not only will you lose your hard earned rewards, but as Craig so elegantly proclaims, “you will be a grease spot by midnight” because God will withdraw his hedge of protection from you. You can count on being dead real soon. As you can see God puts plenty of restrictions on how you live your life.

Yes, Vatican 2 made some changes to RC doctrine, and one change in particular, drove me away from the church. Prior to Vatican 2, a Catholic had to abstain from eating meat on Fridays under penalty of hell if they did not find a priest to absolve them of their mortal sin. After they die, just imagine all the folks suffering in hell over eating a bologna sandwich, if they didn’t confess to a priest. Then Vatican 2 decrees it is no longer a mortal sin to chomp down on a ham and cheese grilled sandwich. A Catholic can now eat their rare steak Friday evening for supper and not go to hell. But what about those terrible meat eating sinners who weren’t fortunate enough to live in the post Vatican 2 era? Apparently they get to watch from hell with envy, as their family and friends enjoy a hamburger and hot dog bbq on a sunny Friday afternoon. And unless their family or friends commit any number of other mortal sins that will result in them being cast into the fires of hell, they will never see each other again. This decree made by a man just hasn’t set right with me and got me thinking that religion is man made. Thank goodness I finally realized there is no god and all these religious beliefs have been lifted from me.

People act is if TWI is the only organization that will not change their doctrine when confronted with scripture indicating possible error. Ask the new U.S. Pope Leo XIV to justify purgatory from the bible or praying to dead people to help their loved ones on earth? Or declaring using birth control is a sin? There are over 2,000 Christian religions today and ask anyone of them to show why your religious beliefs are wrong. They will come up some scripture that indicates their religion is right. About any belief in the world today can be justified using the bible. Can you name a religion that will allow any questioning of their dogmas?

I had never heard of the Atheist Experience. A woman calls into the podcast saying the doctors told here she was unable to conceive children, but later she did deliver two kids. Her only explanation was that God had performed two miracles and she saw no other avenue to explain it. The moderators asked why this was her only understanding of what had happened? They went on to say no medical diagnosis can be 100% accurate and that other women had conceived who were told they were not able. Only attributing God as the solution is not logical. The caller went on to say her daughter was born with schizophrenia and was asked why God couldn’t have performed a miracle in preventing that? Great read.

Yea it could be word of knowledge, but you would think that discerning of spirits would have told them I was m&a, and not to seek me out!

Amazing! I got my invite today and I am marked and avoid. It is a mystery how they got my current address as I moved in here over 10 years after being kicked out of TWI? Did they send my name to remaining twiggers who knew me from the past to get my latest address?

Quite simple. Very easy search. https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/11/business/trump-gulf-of-america-google-maps-hnk-intl/index.html

Inserting “the way international” into my search engine, Duckduckgo, the first six pages of results were all articles written by The Way. There we no listings by any distractors at all. The TWI IT department has certainly figured out how to use the internet to make themselves look good.

“The times they are a changing.”

Many insurance salesfolks can put undue influence on say a recent widow also…. She may not really need a product, but play to their weakness and sell something to them. It also happens all the time on the internet ad someone sending their life’s savings to someone in India. My point is cults aren’t the only ones being shady. As the proverbial saying goes, a sucker is born eveyday. Everyone has to be sharp and cognizant of their surroundings and going ons. To be honest, today the influnce of cults on our society, is minimal compared to all the other cons going on in the world.

He has shown up on my FB feed too. The few times I’ve watched his videos he seems to be knowledgeable and honest, but I haven’t checked them out for accuracy.

This is certainly nothing new and not limited to cults. Salesmen use the obits, wedding license notices, new home sales documents, etc. to contact prospective clients to sell them their products. If a young couple applied for a marriage license they might be contacted about buying a life insurance policy or stocks to protect their future. If someone purchased a new home a salesman would contact them about homeowners and car insurance. They could contact a recent widow about covering their cars mechanical and electrical systems as their husband handled all this prebiously. You could say the sales person was contacting them at a vulnerable time, but if the widows transmission went out next week, she would be thankful for the coverage. It seems to me the Corps studied the book, “How To Win Friend and Influence People,” and adopted it’s principles to their goals of winning folks to the class. Good ideas will always be used for bad outcomes.

Some describe sin as missing the mark or coming up short. God certainly came up short when he created man in his image. If god is perfect, then his creation should also have been made perfect, right? But the answer is god is not perfect because he made all of his creations with sin capabilities. The angels he made sinned as evidenced by Lucifer and his band of devils rebelling and sinning. Man also rebelled against his creator, and only because the creator gave him this imperfect ability. I can only surmise that god is not perfect because of the imperfections he allowed in his creation. A better realization is there no god at all. Then thousands of religions don’t have to be made up by men, which all contradict each other, to explain how a loving god actually loves his sinful creation. Somehow Man “A” decides what he believes, but Man “B”, decides something different…and on and on. Thousands of different ways supposedly to get you to the same place. You can’t go North and expect to arrive at the same destination by traveling West. Which is correct? What is your reasoning for choosing the Islam religion over the Jewish religion? What makes Buddha so appealing over Jesus? I guess the best one can do is figure how they “feel in their heart” at the time. But what happens tomorrow when you “feel” different and chose a new path? Was the first belief a complete waste of time and cause you to loose rewards you can never recover? That sure doesn’t sound fair does it? Religion is so contrary to common sense. It just doesn’t make sense at all.

Every ROA I attended required a fee.

The Los Angeles Dodgers won the 2024 World Series by defeating the New York Yankees 4 games to 1. Congratulations!

That is true in the long term, but day to day, the survival of the fitest rules. Man slaughters beef to eat, man hunts trophy animals to hang their heads on a wall to boast about, the lion kills the antelope, the eagle snatches the fish, large trees rob small trees of sunlight, and the list goes on.

In all levels of life on the earth, dying is required for life to carry on. Plants require previous growth to die and decay for new life to begin and flourish. Survival of the fittest rules the animal kingdom. The bigger and stronger animals must kill the smaller and weaker animals to carry on their existence. Man is the greatest preditor of all, that kill not only to survive but for pleasure also. This instinct to kill has apparently been built into all life forms by God their Creator in order to carry on their species. This concept seems quite cruel that one life must be murdered in order for another to carry on. God has the ability to send manna from heaven, because he did so in order to feed his people in the desert, why not send manna all the time for all of creation to live? If man did not have this built in need to kill, would all the senseless murdering done in the world, not exist? Would wars be unheard of in life?

Great atticle defining a cult https://findingmyway12.substack.com/p/waityou-grew-up-in-a-cult

You didn’t have to extrapolate on it because no one furthered the conversation until i did.

A few posts up you said cman was babbing because of his posts. Apparently you decided this was irrelevant to the discussion.

Show me a topic where a Christian has declared they have no answer to what an atheist has said. They don’t.

What I see is someone who is spewing psycho babble that refuses to be pinned down as to what is the meaning of his statement. This is so typical of Christians who hate to be challenged for their beliefs. They just cannot accept the fact someone would disagree with their beliefs and just leave it at that. No..they keep ranting about stuff that is not at all relevant to the conversation.

Very interesting…..destroys the concept that a nation must believe in god for there to be peaceful coexistence in that country.