Stayed Too Long

I agree that people can be born into a cast system and live that way their entire life. Due to time and place they may, or not, be able to change their lot in life. The system might allow mobility or not, but that all ends at death. If one is a king or pauper it doesn’t matter after drawing their last breath. But, when it comes to eternal life, much happens at death. You go to heaven or hell. Let’s assume for argument that to be saved, Alluh must be your god. If you do not acknowledge Alluh, at death you will go to hell. That is all well and good if you have the opportunity to hear of him and choose to adher to his laws. But what about the people who have never even heard of Alluh, or choose not to believe in him? Perhaps they believe the name of Jesus will get them saved, that he died on the cross, and was risen from the dead on the 3rd day, but have never heard of Alluh. Should hell be their final place of residence? Should the Christian warrior who died for his faith be denied 72 virgins? How could that be fair? Because the Christian woman does not keep her entire body and face covered for life, and walks around without the escort of a related man, should she be cast into hell? Because Christians do not allow their 10 year old daughter to be married to a 60 year old man, should they be driven into hell? As you can see whatever your cast in life, it ends at death. But believing in, and following the will of Alluh, brings great opportunity or consequences at death. You can have 72 women hanging off your arms or burn in hell. You can have hundreds of young girls for eternity or rot in hell. You better make the correct choice and pray to Alluh 5 times a day or suffer hell. Just saying.

Let me ask you this. Let’s assume you are a father, or mother, you have children, and have instructed them they must clean their room everyday. You further demand that if they fail to do so they will be punished by having to sleep in the cold basement with no blankets forever. And this punishment will be passed down to their linage, also for eternity. Does this seem fair to all their children? But because you are loving, you throw in a caveat, that if they write you a letter asking you to forgive them every time they fail to clean their room, they will be absolved of their transgression, and can get back into the comfort of their bedroom. This goes on for the rest of their lives of your entire linage. Does thhis make sense?

I am aware of only one corrupt country on earth that punishes the descendants of a convicted criminal. When a man or woman commits a crime, not only is the criminal punished, but also their children and their children. If you should be thrown in prison for stealing, that was not the end of it. Your sons and daughters, and their daughters and sons would also be incarcerated. In today’s laws one must be convicted of a crime THEY have committed. Their children have no worry of being held responsible for the sins of their fathers. But, a so called loving God tells us we are sinners because OUR parents sinned against Him thousands of years ago! Someone I never met did a boo boo way back when, and you and I are being held responsible for it. And if we don’t acknowledge ourselves as a complete sinner to this loving God, he will drop us like a hot potato, and send us to hell to be tormented for ever. Yikes! There is no greater dictator on the planet than this so called “loving God.”

He is the patron saint of the possessed one. October 6: Saint Bruno, Priest—Optional Memorial 1030–1101 Patron Saint of possessed people Equivalent canonization by Pope Leo X in 1514 Liturgical Color: White

There is another thread discussing the veneration of Mary and how Charlie Kirk believed venerating her would help women. I did some research and discovered there is a Roman Catholic saint for every ailment and challenge a person could possibly experience in their life. If you are having issues with your bees, pray to St Ambrose. Pray to St Angela Merici if you are handicapped. Pray to St Bruno if you are possessed. Here is a list of saints to pray to when you need their assistance. https://mycatholic.life/saints

Have no desire to know anything about LCM’s research.

I did checkout the bookstore and found none of LCM’s research. After 25 years his memory seems to have been erased.

After thirty years of absence the ROA is once again apart of The Way International’s calendar. LCM cancelled the Rock because the Word of God had successfully gone over the World. God had told Craig to begin living in the Land of the Prevailing Word. It seems all of TWI’s witnessing efforts had finally brought about VPW’s vision of every person in the world, who wanted to know the Rightly Divided Word, having had that opportunity. But, apparently Vern and Company have now received revalation cancelling LCM’s Prevailing Word, and have returned to VPW’s original plan of The Word Over The Inhabited Earth? Are any of LCM’s books still sold at the bookstore? Are any of his teachings currently being held forth by TWI?

Please explain?

I always liked bring at the ROA and especially enjoyed the music. Everyone was happy and got along well with one another, and there was always plenty of food and ice cream. As far as I am concerned the beliefs of TWI are as valid as any other group. VPW, LCM, and others did abuse their positions and took advantage of members, but if these problems have been corrected, I see nothing wrong with folks attending the ROA or any other TWI function.

Your point well taken of me interchanging denominations and religions. Thank you. The article states there are approximately 45,000 different denominations and I posted there are over 45,000. Let’s give or take a few thousand then. And you are correct many denominations have the sames rules for salvation. Let’s assume there are only a total of 9 major/minir denominations to chose from. How are you going to choice the one you want yo follow? What was your process of eliminating the other eight? Then throw in Bahai, Islam, Hindu, Judaism - what is your thought process for not accepting/rejecting them as the way to salvation? RC - Confessnmortal sins to a priest.

How does one know, if something good happens in their life, that it was the result of another offering prayers for them? How do you know when you offer prayers for a neighbor that the prayer was actually answered? I used to offer perfect prayer, (SIT) for my family and those in my fellowship everyday, our countries leadership, and TWI leadership. They all got sick like anyone else in the world, two died in a car accident, and VPW somehow managed to get possessed my a devil spirit and died of cancer. My prayer didn’t seem to make much difference at all.

There are over 45,000 different Christian religions in the world, so if you accept that Christianity is the correct religion, how do you know you have picked the right version? How have you eliminated the other 44,999 as not being God’s accurate version of hell? https://www.christianwebsite.com/how-many-denominations-of-christianity-2024/

Definitely a dog person…my pooch has never let me down and can always be counted on for her loyalty.

I was thinking about what it takes to live a Godly life and realized one of God’s demands is for him to be worshipped by his subjects. People also love to be worshipped by the fact of owning pets. Not only are they good company, but my dog loves to please me, which also makes me feel good. If I say “down,” she jumps off the chair. When I say “out,” she heads for the outside door. And just like when God punishes me for not obeying him, when the dog does not jump down, I punish her for disobeying me. Apparently I really am a Godly person.

Apparently the RC church still needs cleaning up. After decades of promises to fix abuse, Pope Leo XIV says abuse needs to be uprooted. https://www.sfgate.com/news/world/article/pope-leo-xiv-says-there-should-be-no-tolerance-20387519.php Go Chicago Whitesox

For sure living this side of death to it fullest means not having to be concerned about a life after death. Just think how freeing it is, when you make a mistake in life and not have to worry about confessing it to an unseen god, and then also wonder what effect it will have when you finally see this unseen god face to face?

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When I was in TWI and prayed for someone to be healed, it never happened. I never saw a miracle result from anyone praying for healing.

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Sorry I don’t get the difference. My bad.

If we as humans have no eternal soul like the animals, assuming you agree with this, how about the following beliefs? What about Euthanasia? If we with all love and kindness end our pets lives so they no longer suffer, what about letting mom or dad end their lives so they no longer suffer? How about if grandma has been living with a terminal disease that has wracked her body so badly that she no longer has a peaceful moment? Should she be required to suffer for an extended period of time even though she will not get better, only worse? And concerning abortion should a family be required to to bring a human bring into the world that they do not want, for whatever reason? The root of why Euthanasia and abortion not allowed is because of religious beliefs. And as Raf pointed out, now that we have granted our pets eternal life, should we not outlaw Euthanasia and abortion of them on religious grounds also? So if there is no after life no has to be concerned about god punishing us for making dying a bit easier.

This is how I look at nothingness. Prior to being born I was absolutely nothing. And after I die I go back to that state of nothingness. I didn’t suffer prior to being born and will not suffer after my last breath. There is nothing brave about accepting reality. If I truly believed in an after life you can bet I would being doing all the arrive there. Actually I did chase that belief for most of my life. I went down so many rabbit holes trying to be godly it wore me out. Please answer me this. How do you know for a certainty your biblical belief is the correct one getting you into heaven? If your are a RC you get to heaven by being water baptized, attending mass on Sunday and holy days of obligation, confessing your sins to a priest, doing good works, and make certain you do not die with a mortal sin on your soul, because if you do you are assured of going to hell. A Baptist believes you are not saved by works, but by the grace of god. How do you reconcile these contradictory beliefs? Let’s assume you are a RC and die with no mortal sin on your soul. And when you stand before the judgement seat of god he says, “why haven’t you realized works will not get you into heaven?” Or what happens if god actually believes being a Muslim is the only way to heaven. Or what if god believes you must be a Buddhist to enter the pearly gates? How about you must be a Hutterite or Menonite? It defies logic that of the thousand of religions in the world, you somehow, have come upon the correct one! Let’s say one representative of each of the religions of the world stood side by side and formed a line for miles. And when god appears, he would tap you on the shoulder and say “you have got it right. Welcome to your group. All the rest have got it wrong.” Pretty crazy odds, no?

I have no problem believing there is no karma.

Moderation note: This conversation started on the "objective morality" thread and went off in its own direction. I LOVE the new topic but didn't want it to get lost in the old one. Raf/Modcat5 It it so difficult for folks who believe in God to accept that there is no spiritual punishment for any wrong actions. They just can’t wait to send someone to hell or purgatory, for say, killing someone, adultery, rape, and any other wrong against a human. Believers who have been wronged by someone say, “You might get away with hurting me in this life, but justice will be served in the next, and you will suffer.” If one believes there is no god, we understand a human being is just like any other life, and when we die our body rots and we are forgotten about after our 3rd generation. No god is keeping track if we wronged our neighbor or family dog, which will result in spiritual consequences. Nor if we spoke in tongues, helped a little old lady across the street, or sacrificed our life to save someone elses life, there are no spiritual rewards waiting for us to be claimed. Our last breath is our last breath, and our existence ends never to be heard from again. Very comforting, for sure.