Stayed Too Long

This is how death was mourned in the 1800’s. No mention of God calling them home, them meeting in heaven, god needing a rose petal, or God’s choir needing expanding. 
https://swahsociety.com/records/obituaries/obituaries-1880s

We have created scenarios that we believe will happen in the future after death to make us feel better. The bible only tells us to be comforted by the return of Jesus. No mention of spouses being reunited as husband and wife. What about the women who was married 4 times? Do any of her husbands even want to spend eternity with her? Nagging wives might be left out in the cold at the return if no husband wants to listen to her go on and on forever. 
Being a Muslim warrior is about the best men can hope for,  getting to enjoy sex with 70 virgins forever. 

We even had to create a heaven for pets in the 1980’s. The Rainbow Bridge assures us we will be reunited with our beloved pets in the future. Can you imagine the reunion of someone who has had 10 pets in their life? How about the pet that was owned by 3 people? Will there be a shared custody agreements for those in these instances? What about the pet that was abused by its owner? He probablty would only want to bite the owner all day long forever. 
Men seem to create feel good sceneries with no thought as go how it will be carried out.

I was just reading an obituary of a young child, and it said God needed another rose pedal in heaven, so he called this young girl “home.” Another obit I remember from the past, was the woman was an excellent singer, and God needed another member of his heavenly choir, so he called her “home.”
How many more rose pedals does God need in his garden?  I would think God’s heavenly choir was big enough by now, so he didn’t have to enlarge it?

43 minutes ago, Rocky said:

Seriously? I can't believe you actually think that could happen.

What is your concern? How is that after the return their will be no sin? Apparently the saved people will not be able to sin? Or if it is possible to sin, how is that absolutely no one will be to sin?

Mark said: “God did not make humanity as a puppet on a string with God controlling everything that we think and do. God simply gives humanity the free will ability to do different things with God not controlling everything that we think and do.”

Does this mean after the second coming that God will create puppets on a string so that everything will be perfect? Mankind will not have the ability to go against God’s will?

3 hours ago, Bolshevik said:

I tried a 10 year old MRE chicken dinner recently.  Because why not.  Not bad.  Even have these chemical heaters that cook the meal.  

Just add water.

Oh yeah . . . water.

MRE stands for Meals Ready To Eat…no water required or anthing else, as they are enclosed in a plastic pouch. You didn’t eat a 10 year old MRE if you were required to add water. Having spent 24 years in the militery I have eaten a few of them.

On 3/30/2022 at 5:12 PM, Rocky said:

I'm on the reservation list for a new Aptera solar powered vehicle... hoping my turn comes up in 2023.

Which distance model are you purchasing? The price varies considerably with the battery pack required to drive further distances. The price is quite reasonable and no $5.00/gal gas charges, and more and more electric charging stations are coming on line. The charts I have seen show it is considerably cheaper to “fill up” your electric car than your gasoline automobile.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/19/cost-of-charging-ev-vs-gas-prices.html

15 hours ago, oldiesman said:

Well said!    I would only add that Jesus accepted all the pain and suffering willingly.   What does that mean?   It means, he was at least partially responsible for it all happening.  

Wow!! Now God’s perfect son, Jesus Christ, was all along part of the problem. He must have been doing some sinning on the side? When? Was it during those  lost years from his age 12 to 30? 
Please fill us in why JC was also responsible for himself needing to die?

 

1 hour ago, Nathan_Jr said:

But the Constitution is a self-interpreting document from which we get righteous instruction for making three-fingered gloves for those completely incomplete people. Gloves for all without exception. It's so simple, if you just work it. Three-fingered hands fit perfectly in three-fingered gloves. Bless your little hearts. I wish you could read it in the original.

There was a Thriteenth Amendment passed and a civil war fought over a 150 years ago to correct the horrible injustice. In 1964 the Civil Rights Voting Act was also passed.

2 hours ago, Bolshevik said:

I've heard the terms aggressive atheist and new atheists.  I thought that fad went away.  That's what your unoriginal statements are usually associated with.  Seems more driven by an agenda than curiosity.   

 

 What is the concern if what I post is an agenda or curiosity? 

I just thought it very succinctly stated the obvious plus a few new ones. Combing through the bible you can easily read some crazy thing, (an animal is unclean if it doesn ‘t chew its cud), causing you to scratch your head, then close the book, and grab a beer. HOWEVER; Bob Dylan is now selling his brand of whiskey; Heavens Gate. So possibly a couple of shots of Double Barrel Whiskey will also do the trick.

20 minutes ago, cman said:

No to the question. I'm still a child of the one who could "come up" with me.

We are all certainly the child of a woman and man (are these still an acceptable descriptions of today’s sexes?) who decided to “come up” with us. 

35 minutes ago, cman said:

As a father I want the best for my kids. That involves letting them think for themselves a lot, even if they are wrong.

From my children's perspective I am both good and bad, depends on the day, or moment, or year. I am the thief, the destroyer and I give them an abundant life, as much as is in my power. As they have grown, they see more of what actually happened, and still happening.

Are you attempting to justify God’s totally incomprehensible creation of mankind by comparing him to yourself? You are so much better than anything he could ever come up with. After all, he botched the first creation so bad, he ended up killing them all. I think your family is in good hands and do not have to fear for their lives. 

22 minutes ago, Nathan_Jr said:

A cycle of mind-F's?
 

It's belief in ideology, in religion, that allows man to justify wicked deeds like slavery, rape and child sacrifice.
 

If Lot and his daughters were living today they would be in prison, because incest is about as bad as it gets. One of the daughter’s offspring with Lot, was even made the head of the Moabites. Along with slavery, rape, and child sacrifice, add incest to the list of sins God allows. Where, oh where, is his mind?

On 6/1/2022 at 12:36 AM, cman said:

My wife and I made 2 sons. I've told them not to do some things and they did it anyway. And I've told them to do some things that they didn't do.

I am sure every parent can relate to your experiences of raising children. Many times they do the opposite of what we wish they would. 
 

However, we are discussing God, the all loving, all knowing, and all powerful, creator. One would think he would have made us, from the beginning, perfect, not able to do stupid stuff. After all, that is exactly how life will be after the return, so it is within God’s grasp to make life perfect. 
 

But, if we look at Genesis 6:5-7: God has done some pretty stupid stuff, and he even acknowledges the error of his ways. This crazy action by God, resulted in mankind being destroyed. “And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the lord said, “I will destroy man….”

If God had fore knowledge, he would have known he created very imperfect people. Why make people, knowing you will wipe them off the face of the earth, in the future?

Cman, would there ever be any evil thing your 2 sons could do, that you would wish they had never been born, and kill them? 

16 hours ago, Raf said:

So many of the Bible's stories crumble when you look at them that way.

Hey, Jonah! Where you been?

Apparently God piped oxygen to Jonah for three days or he would have drowned or suffocated. Jonah more than likely had plenty to eat—raw fish the whale had caught.
 

It must have a rough ride for Johah in the whale’s belly as the great fish cruised up and down the ocean looking for food. Ouch!

On 5/27/2022 at 9:36 PM, Bolshevik said:

  I mean letters are symbols, so how'd you read about talking snakes in the first place?

Are you serious? Peek at Genesis 3:1.

These folks were by no means close friends of mine, but ones who had popped in and out of my life from the past, chiefly thru reading of them, from some old books passed down through the years.

Another person even claims, as he was hiking in the mountains, a bush burst into flames, after which God proceeded to talk to him. He was even given a couple of stone tablets from God, which supposedly proclaimed God’s will for his people.. Great! But, then this guy threw the tablets down and broke them, as he became angry. What goes on with that? 

I really hate to admit it, but I’m concerned about their mental health. Jokingly, we can talk about chatting with a boa constrictor or diamond back rattle snake, but I fear it is beyond that with them. They claim this snake changed their’s, and all their relatives lives forever, by tricking one of them to eat an apple. Crazy, huh?

And listening to a donkey talk? Hard to comprehend, isn’t it?

I know you all are not Dear Abby, but I do need some help dealing with these situations. Any help will be truly appreciated, as  I really what to assist  them in any way I can

Although I do not believe you can attritribute the bible, koran, and other books to God, there are actions that I have particpated in, which I can not explain happening in nature. For example, while operating an ojui board, It spelled out answers to questions only I knew the answer, and were right on the money and made perfect sense. There were many, many questions asked one after the other, all with accurate responses.

My niece found her family had to cease using the ouji board because they began experiencing violence as the piece attacked them.

Another example is levitation. A number of us would lay hands on an item and make it float in the air. Once, we sat around a coffee table and it raised several feet off the ground. 

Anyone one have an explanation?
 

21 hours ago, Rocky said:

Wierwille (and Pillai) may have been on to something with the concept of Orientalisms. Except they focused to narrowly on individual phrases and expressions. Why did they not or would they not consider the entire culture from which the Old and New Testaments emerged and try to grasp the overall (i.e. the 30,000 foot view) in the first place? Just sayin'.

Are you using Orientalisms as a way to explain and understand God’s actions, in requiring a ransom of death be paid to justify man sinning in the Garden of Eden? Not only demanding the death of his son, but burdening the rest of mankind with a sin nature they must carry with them for  the rest of thie lives? 

Are you saying if we fully grasped the full meaning of orientalisms (the 30,000 foot view), we would understand why God did what he did in the Garden of Eden, and then everything Raf suggested would be a moot point? 

1 minute ago, Stayed Too Long said:

Who can square II Peter with Acts 8:26-31?

26 Now an angel of the Lord said to Philip, “Go south to the road—the desert road—that goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza.” 

27 So he started out, and on his way he met an Ethiopian eunuch, an important official in charge of all the treasury of the Kandake (which means “queen of the Ethiopians”). This man had gone to Jerusalem to worship, 

28 and on his way home was sitting in his chariot reading the Book of Isaiah the prophet. 

29 The Spirit told Philip, “Go to that chariot and stay near it.” 

30 Then Philip ran up to the chariot and heard the man reading Isaiah the prophet. “Do you understand what you are reading?” Philip asked. 

31 “How can I,” he said, “unless someone explains it to me?” So he invited Philip to come up and sit with him.

According to Acts, someone must explain the scriptures, so the scriptures do not intrepret themselves. 

 

I can’t wait for someone to declare thay are in different administrations. Haha

Who can square II Peter with Acts 8:26-31?

2 hours ago, Bolshevik said:

Christianity stemmed from Judaism.  Judaism is over 3000 years old and came from nomads.  The species has evolved to have smaller brains since that time.  What were people thinking about with bigger brains back then?

This should be the subject of a new thread.