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Bob Dylan is a master dealing with whatever he devides to deal with. This is fitting to the understanding of this thread and abuse.
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My bread hasn’t been rising and browning in the over as it should. Thinking the temperature in the oven may not be accurate, I purchased a thermometer. With the oven temp set to 400 degrees, it read 350. This seemed quite a bit so I bought another thermometer and it read 370 degrees.
I don’t know which reading to trust, but am pretty sure the oven temp control needs to be set higher. Fun time learning to get things just right.
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I recall hearing from VP that God also told him if the Weirwille family didn’t stand on the word, the ministry would fail after he was gone. Did anyone else remember this?
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On 8/8/2020 at 2:57 PM, Rejoice said:
As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly. Proverbs 26:11
What a mind picture, A dog pukes and laps it up. Just like sick Fido the dog, an abused person will go back to their abuser. They will look in the mirror and see their swollen face with blackened eyes, and justify the beating they have received. Then, once again, returm to be beaten once sgain.
Those sexually abused, because the have been groomed by tneir abuser, will also return for more abuse. They maybe in great pain and hate it, but will go back for more.
It seems the only way out is for someone else to assist them. They just do not have the ability to completely do it on their own. Another person has to remove Fido from the vomit, or it will keep on eating their sickness. Equally true are humans who are being abused; someone, a website, a book must show them they are worth it, and assist get the help they so desperately need.
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5 hours ago, rubina said:
Ok, it seems like I have a few questions to answer. First of all, no we rarely hear the names of anyone who was big in the Weirwille era and left, and if we do its generally from someone telling a story and mentioning them in passing.
Second, we generally hear about the "Fog Years" sooner or later. Not from the official ministry account of its history, of course, but from people and parents, so I can only speak for my personal experiance. Most of the stories I heard were told with a spin that the Way is successful and righteous and its enemies are unsuccessful and evil. I had heard of Geer, but all I knew about him was that he went off and did his own thing and something about his board of directors shutting down and selling his property at Gartmore because of how much of a failure it was (I don't think that's what actually happened). I also heard stories about entire states breaking away from Headquarters, but HQ was always strong and survived. I was generally told that most people who left weren't interested in the Word or were tricked by the devil. I knew that people left, but one of the biggest shocks for me was learning the massive scale of it. Also, Martindale was characterized as someone who "just made a mistake" or never fully got out of his jock lifestyle and any mention of his misdeeds was followed with a "the ministry can't be judged by the actions of one man."
I can't speak for others, but one of the biggest fears for me about Googling the Way was that I would be tricked off the Word by the devil, or maybe even become possessed myself. I figured that there were a lot of devil spirits at work to cause people to post hateful things about the Way to stop us from being able to teach the truth of God's Word.
Rosie reminds me of Napolean in the book, Animal Farm, Napolean convinced all the other animals in the pasture that their recollection of the past was wrong. Only he knew the accurate history of the Farm, so he could change it to meet his narrative, to control them all.
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Over half of the Jews did heed the warnings and exited Germany.
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/german-jews-during-the-holocaust
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On 6/30/2020 at 1:47 PM, T-Bone said:
The other thing I wanted to say about your post is that it seems to find fault with or blame the victim. Maybe that’s not what you meant.
Allen was pointing out there were signs indicating Jews should take heed and flee Germany. WW indicated some did heed the warnings and left Germany.
Of course, the Germans were ultimately responsible for what they did to the jews, and the Jews should not ultimately be blamed for Germany’s actions. But if you can see something bad it is going to happen, it is in your best interest to avoid it.
For example, if you are driving your car, and see an approaching automobile is exceeding the speed limit, and will blow through the existing stop sign hitting you, it is in your best interest to stop so you will not be hit. You could conclude you have the right of way, and do nothing, resulting in your car being hit, and passengers being injured or killed. You are well within your lawful rights to let the car hit you because the law is on your side. You would be dead right.
True, the victim(s) would be in the right to not stop, and allow the offending driver to hit them. But one could argue, had the victims heeded the warning, they would be alive today. Using your logic, it would be improper to even consider the victims could have avoided the accident.
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It is hard to image that those who were marked and avoided this time around, did not see it coming. After all, this is always the only outcome to anyone or group questioning the BOD. Plus, I am sure this round of M&A culprits, had marked and avoided others in the past who questioned leadership’s authority. They should have been able to write the story line, from start to finish, for the outcone of their insurrection. Step by step, all should have known what would happen next. Did they truly belive in their hearts, they would be immune from the crushing hand of the BOD?
A possible alternative reason for engaging in such destructive behavior, is each secretly wanted to start their own off shoot, but did not want to just walk away from the Way International. If they did just up and leave, it would be impossible for them to justify such heresy. But, being kicked out for “standing on the word,” they may be able to get a few others, who are also upset with the BOD, to join their ministry.
This round of M&A would also save on the payroll. These are pretty high placed people who would save money for the BOD.
I remember VPW saying to the effect of, if the Wiereille family did not stand on the word, the ministy would fail. This failure of The Way Ministry happened devades ago.
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2 hours ago, Ghosted said:
Heard through the grapevine she was ousted.
Who would have wanted her gone and/or would have had the power to oust her?
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32 minutes ago, Rocky said:
Yet, we know that the twi grapevine isn't necessarily reliable.
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I read somewhere bread dough could be frozen and unthawed at a later time to be baked. Cleaning out the freezer I found some dough, which could have been in there for months. It did not rise after being unthawed, and did not rise while baking either. It came out of the oven a solid brick. After cooling off, with much effort, I was able to cut into small pieces and save for the ducks.
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20 hours ago, Rocky said:
And the 9th corpse. The food was good. Not everyone appreciated the borscht, but it was good quality food.
I was in the 9th corp for the first 3 months and my job was cleaning up after meals. I never got sufficient food at the meals to fill me up, so was always thankful there was a basket or two left on the tables with some bread left in them. Loved the borscht too. .
I hated the head table had coffee with their meal, especially when vpw always had a can of 7up at meals.
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8 hours ago, WordWolf said:
STL, I don't think it's unreasonable to ask you for a little more information about this. So, again, I ask you. In light of what we've learned recently (who he was, where he worked...) my question is shorter and more specific.
WHERE did you hear this? WHOM did you hear this from? Did Ira Hearne HIMSELF say this? Was this mentioned by someone official during a teaching? Was this an offhand comment by someone at dinner?
I don’t recall how I knew about this. It just came to mind the other day and thought I would post to see if there was anything to it.
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Teaching By Ira Hearne On Organic Gardening At The Way International
https://eternallyblessed.org/archive/lessons-in-living-organic-gardening-hearne-3891
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Way back when, I recall some long lost seeds were found in an ancient tomb, and Ira was one of the gardners selected to attempt to germinate them. Anyone know more about this?
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15 hours ago, Rocky said:
I haven't been trying to convince anyone here about Sabbath. Perhaps you meant to be asking someone else?
I was referring to Waxit. Thanks.
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31 minutes ago, Rocky said:
You're tired of repeating the same thing over and over again? How do you think God feels about the situation?
Waxit:
Is it finally getting thtough to you that you have convinced no one at GSC about hour Sabbath argument? That it makes no sense?Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results. Sound a bit like you.
Stayed Too Long
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On 5/4/2020 at 11:50 AM, Stayed Too Long said:
Waxit
Do you have any plans to address:
Romans 14: 5-6; Galatians 4: 9-10, Colossians 2:16?
I didn’t quote the three versus because they have been brought to your attention numerous times by several other posters.
Tic toc, tic toc, tic toc.........
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On 5/4/2020 at 11:50 AM, Stayed Too Long said:
Waxit
Do you have any plans to address:
Romans 14: 5-6; Galatians 4: 9-10, Colossians 2:16?
I didn’t quote the three versus because they have been brought to your attention numerous times by several other posters.
Waxit
These three verses just don’t go away and you just keep ignoring them.
Are you a glutton for punishment? If you check prior postings, you will notice that you have convinced no one of your atgument concerning the Sabbath. For weeks you have been throwing out the same arguments and getting the same negative responses.
“Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results.” Have you heard that one before? -
I fall in the category of agnostic after reading this article. To me, there is certainly a Higher Power that has helped me through out my life. I used to attend Overeaters Anonymous meetings, and they have adapted Alcoholics Anonymous 12 steps for their program. Several of the steps require a belief in a Higher Power, who will assist you in overcoming your addiction.
No more can I believe in a God, who created a Son, by impregnating a maiden on Earth. This birth caused all male babies under the age of one, to be executed.Or the Son rising from the dead, so mankind could be saved from all their wrong doings. It is difficult to understand what a couple did (eat an apple.) in the Garden of Eden centuries ago, was so terrible that it made me a sinner, in need of redemption. I wasn’t around at the time, don’t blame me.
I have participated in Ouija board sessions. That plastic thingamajig, answered every question it was asked correctly, except once, and that answer was within the ballpark of possibilities. The spelling was always accurate. A group of us got together and performed levitations. Amazing what was done.
These are considered in the realm of Satan. But, in all my years as a Christian did I witness anything supernaturally happening. Raising someone from the dead is always talked about, but only done in books or accounts from the bible. Never saw anyone recover from a disease after being prayed for by having hands laid on them.
Anyway, the Ouija board and levitation convinced me there is a Higher Power, who is above my pay grade, that can help me with my daily life. I don’t pray for help, just focus my mind on my Higher Power helping get the job done.
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Thanks Rocky...just one of those days, Something didn’t look right, but couldn’t put me finger on it.
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How did Wierwille put it? “Troubling versus understood in light of the clear versus.”
I think this is about the only defense Waxit has in his quiver to explain these three versus away. Of course, that assumes all the versus Waxit’s is using in his arguments are the clear ones.Then you have to ignore that Jesus came to fulfill the law.
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