Stayed Too Long

The first two paragraphs definately say you are a cult if you do not believe in the diety of JC and good works are required to gain heaven. It does go on to expand on other actions, but the first two paragraphs define a cult and the rest of the world is a cult.

2 hours ago, chockfull said:

https://www.gotquestions.org/The-Way-International.html

Wow even more critical content on even more mainstream web sources.

Maybe instead of a research department they should start a whack-a-mole department to refute all of these public places that don’t have the right spin on their cult doctrine.

The articles  definition of a cult would apply to many organizations:

1. Deny the diety of JC

2. Good works do not get you to heaven. 
Much of the article references certain religious beliefs the author believes must be adhered to in order for a group not to be classified as a cult. According to him all religions rhat don’t have JC as the center are a cult, which describes Jews, Muslims, and many other faiths. 
To me one cannot use this article alone to classify TWI as a cult, without throwing in most of the world’s religions. I would certainly be thrown to the wolves as a cultist.
 

Your post sounds like it was taken right out of PFAL.

I moved  to In Memoriam Mark’s death notice.

The year 2027 is 5 years away. Is their some significants of 2027 to you?

1 hour ago, Rocky said:

Exercise. Modification of dietary intake.
 

Yes, Yes, Yes. I joined Planet Fitness for about $10 a month and it is the the best investment made so far in my aging process. They have a cage that has bars going everyway you can imagine, and instructions and pictures on how to use them to do stretching exercises. The stretching exercises begin at your neck and covers all the way down to your feet. Then there are treadmills, bicycles, free weights, and machined weights to build your cardiovascular system. 
When I slack off and miss a few weeks my body starts barking because it is becoming stiff again. 
In addition, I have lost 75 pounds and struggle to keep it off, but keeping the goal of maintaining as much mobility as possible, is keeping me honest and on track.

Obviously, things happen within our bodies and minds that we have absolutely no control over. We can only hope the medical professionals have a medication, surgery, prostheses, or mental health help that will keep us going. We should take advantage of every available procedure so we can lead a happy and productive life.

I have a relative who has slowed down physically, but not adjusted their calorie intake. Only one thing can happen and that is to put on additional weight.

Another has had a heart attack are not changed any eating or dieting to lose weight.  When the doc suggested these changes, their response was, “That will happen when world peace comes about.” With such an attitude what can anyone do to help them? They refuse to help themselves so you can only wait until the worst happens. So far the medications have kept them alive, but their mobility is limited. 

On 11/28/2022 at 11:50 AM, Bolshevik said:

Visited his home out west years ago and had a nice spread.  Only time I've tried bear meat.

I understand at this time he calls The Way a cult.

 

When I knew him he fully supported TWI and Craig. Of course, I have been gone from the Way 25 years so obviously things change. In the past few years I did see an obituary of someone in TWI and Ladwig was the officiating minster at the funeral.

Could he be the proverbial Greasespot By Midnight for turning his back on God and leaving the protection the MOG provides?

p.s. how was the bear meat?

Apparently TWI is no longer living in the Land of the Prevailing Word. The following quote if from a staff commercial in The Way Magazine dated June 24, 2021:

“Do you want to help move God’s Word over the world as Staff at The Way International or Camp Gunnison—The Way Household Ranch? For more information on how to apply, please contact your State coordinator. All applicants must be either a U.S. citizen or hold a U.S. Permanent Resident Card (green card).

I watched it several years ago and cannot bear to see it again. 

On 11/15/2022 at 4:57 AM, chockfull said:

OMG.  We so totally need to do a contest to fill in the back of the card.  I already saw some fantastic candidates.

”the MOGFODAT is dead everyone is safe now”

”the lawsuits are over and we are Labor Dept compliant now”

”what else are you gonna do with the 40 hours a week of free thinking time you have outside your job”

Heres a few.

But I also trust when the rest of GS gets on a roll moving their mouth lips tongues and posting tools it results in hilarity.  And that for me is somewhat therapeutic I’m not gonna lie.

“Don’t forget to bring your check book. Remember abundant sharing?”                       
“Marked & Avoided? We can work things out.”                
“Women remember your leadership need serving.”      
“Bring cash for any classes you haven’t taken yet.”
 

18 hours ago, Twinky said:

STL, that sounds really calorie-high.  The cream cheese I'd like but dream whip - ugh.  A cheesecake with most of those ingredients would be much more to my taste.

No doubt thry are high in calories, but no one has turned them down yet. I was just cleaning out the pantry—-now I have too many saltine crackers—-any suggestions on using them up?

It is too early for me to get excited about Christmas baking and I don’t know if any baking will get done specifically for the holidays. I do usually have a loaf of bread rising in my bread machine, though.
Last week, while looking through the pantry, there were a few boxes of Oreo cookies, so made a dessert with an Oreo crust, a layer of cream cheese with dream whip, followed up with layer of chocolate pudding, followed with another layer of dream whip, and topped off with broken pieces of Oreos. 
This is very rich and delicious, and a good thing I have friends to give some to, because there are too many calories for just two people to finish off. 
 

I wish him the very best and a speedy road to recovery. Last I knew a few years ago, he was still active with The Way.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/mark-ladwigs-health-journey

6 hours ago, fredgrant said:

I cannot judge VPs heart, or LCM’s - just because they were big shots at one time does not mean that they were not misled.  Unbelievers are not enemies, they are merely more people who need Gods grace and mercy, just like me.  Evil works and putrid fruit, however, are manifestations of something other than Holy Spirit.

Most of what is posted on GSC are the evil works and the putrid fruit from not only VPW and LCM, but of other leadership of TWI. Whatever the pasts, before TWI, are of VPW and LCM, are not widely expressed here, but their evil works and corruption abound. For example, women in the ministry were subject to sexual exploitation from both men. Other leadership folowed by also taking advantage of innocent women. 

Bolshevik

Why are you posting on GSC if it is so evil?

On 10/1/2022 at 9:49 AM, skyrider said:

Once people exit a cult..........it's a new world out there."

 

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A very scary new world for me. Being M&A’ed, my only human relationships were cut off immediately. I had not build any relationships outside of TWI at the direction of TWI. I did not want to have any influences outside of the household keeping me from building my relation with God. I blocked all relationships outside of TWI. 
 

On 2/20/2022 at 1:07 AM, Rocky said:

Exactly. And how narcissistic is it that he calls his group the "remnant?" Geez Louise!

When Craig recovered from POP, he referred to those remaining with TWI as the remnant. Since he was kicked out of TWI, I wonder if he believes TWI is still part of the remnant? 
I have not heard of him criticizing TWI, but not much had been said by him, or about him, regarding his present day endeavors, since he departed. Way back he supposedly worked at a gym or health club. 

On 7/5/2022 at 7:02 PM, T-Bone said:

The lady who worked at Third Aid was an a$$hole to begin with…and you know that old saying “cream rises to the top” meaning a “good” a$$hole in TWI cannot go unnoticed for long…further meaning   more often than not they’re viewed as “having way corps potential” ….so anyway this Third Aid lady is telling us to put a clove of garlic in his ear. We told her we wanted to take him to a real doctor knowing the doc would probably better diagnose and more than likely prescribe effective treatment.  Third Aid lady says something to the effect of “well, if you want to go somewhere where they’re going to put poisons in your child, go ahead.”

What is/was third aid?

On 9/14/2022 at 4:40 PM, Twinky said:

Full "brown" flour makes a rather denser loaf, a bit smaller.  Experiment till you find a texture that you like.

It also has a very stong pungent taste, that even smothered in butter, won’t mask.

BecomingMe I can only imagine the trauma you have gone through, and continue to deal with in your life. And the fortitude and strength it had to take to finally break from the Way, and especially from your dad. I can only look back at myself after bring M&A and the trauma it dealt to me. However, in retrospect, it does not compare to what you have, and are probably, still experiencing.

I hope you still enjoy a loving relationship with your siblings.

Whenever I read of posts such as yours, I am so thankful GSC is still here. I seriously do not know what my life would be like if GSC had not been around 20 some years ago. My life was at such a low point, opening my eyes each morning was terrible. All the love I received from other greasers pulled me through it though. (Although some of the political arguments were quite intense, LOL).

BecomingMe said most, if not all of Craig’s followers, are ex-Way folks. That seems so crazy to me, as Craig probably M&A’ed many of them. Why would he want to associate with anyone who would be a grease spot by midnight? And why would the ex-Way people want to be associated with a disgraced preditor?
But, since Craig is now included in the grease spot crowd, is it possible he realized he was spewing nothing but BS, and only wanted to instill fear in people if they were contemplating leaving?
He must have to wrestle in his mind with all the lies he has told and the lives he has ruined. 

3 hours ago, Rocky said:

I've met her in person. She's real and her posts are authentic.

Good to know.  Authenication complete.

I am skeptical of BecomingMe being Craig’s oldest kid. Why has she waited this long to present herself to contribute to this site? Do not know if it is possible to vetify her idemtity? In the past GSC was able to verify that The Way actually posted here in response to a  post from JP Wierwille. 

The July/August 2022 Way Magazine’s cover declares “We are moving the Word Over the World.” On the inside there is an article entitled,  “Word Over The World Report.” Apparently the Prevailing Word is no longer established around the world.
 

https://store.theway.org/store/jul-aug-2022-way-magazine/