Stayed Too Long

4 minutes ago, Bolshevik said:

I could cross out religion in your sentence and put culture, language, nation, tribe and probability a lot of others words, words that describe things.

Your point being?

2 hours ago, Bolshevik said:

I'm not suggesting, implying, stating, insinuating, dictating, commanding, ordering, subtextuly sliding in, or sounding like that if TWI were gone the problems of the world would be gone.  That's absurd, idiotic, stupid, moronic, dumb, or as LCM would say, malarkey, which is Aramaic for bologna.  

The cult is a product of disease and abuse.  And it manifests and occurs where it does.

You're opening sentence paragraph is, and I mean it, an interesting thought, which seems loaded, and a thread unto itself.

You certainly addressed the last sentence of my post, but  completely ignored the previous ones, explaining how all religions indoctrinate their followers so they remain in their group. 

1 hour ago, Bolshevik said:

Yes, repeating yourself is part of being a parent.

No, this is not misunderstood.  This about obedience to The Word.  The slides are very clear on that.  And The Word means The Way International.

Nowhere is their room for change between generations.  This is about arresting development, inhibiting growth, for the purpose of control.  The parent and child are not family.  The cult is family.

Every religion teaches parents to instruct their children in their beliefs. Why? So the children will continue their belief’s in the future.
TWI is not the only religion who instructs  parents to teach their doctrine to their cildren. If you go to a Catholic church they do not finish their teaching, and then say, “oh by the way, here is a 30 minute dialog about what the Baptist believe, and the Morman’s think this way, and the Methodist’s go this direction.” “Next week we’ll have a round robin and have the Quackers, Churrch of Christ, Seventh Day Adventists, and Church of Satan tells us what they believe.” 
TWI has it’s problems, but you make it sound like if TWI was gone, the problems of the world would be solved. 


 

On 6/15/2022 at 10:49 AM, Nathan_Jr said:

"As parents, it is our responsibility to teach, or rub in by repetition."

This is NOT what it means to teach. This is NOT how (H-O-W) to teach. This error is so obvious, depraved and sinister, it is vomitous. And they aren't even trying to hide it.

This is NOT teaching. This is brainwashing, programming.

This is darkness.

It is possible the term rub in by repetition is not understood in its correct usage here?

While raising my daughter, when someone did something for her, or complemented her, I had to remind her many, many times to say thank you. I did this by ‘rub in by repetition.’ She was also required to clean her bedroom before she went to bed each night. Again, I had to remind her of the responsibility, many many times through the years. I had to ‘rub in by repetition’ the same instruction for a long time.

I did not abuse her physically, mentally, or emotionally, by teaching her over and over, to perform what was expected her to do. 

5 hours ago, Rocky said:

How true.

Of course, my immediate thought was that TWI should take a lesson and publish the names of its clergy who have been credibly accused of sexual abuse.

But it's really a problem in any and likely every organization with the kind of structure that promotes obedience to those in charge without giving followers adequate rights to confront. That's how and why Wierwille and Martindale and who knows how many others got away with it.

The Boy Scouts have been under scrutiny for child abuse for sometime now. A Girl Scout in New York has also filed abuse charges. Organizations demanding obedience to their policies and leaders are like a magnet to pedaphiles. 

29 minutes ago, Bolshevik said:

A mother in the Ukraine recently needed to get her son, with down syndrome, to move . . . you know, before the bombs and bullets came through.  The boy couldn't understand.  So mom told him they were going on a trip to find John Cena, the boy's hero.   That got the boy to move.  Was she supposed to tackle him or leave him behind?

In this case John Cena heard about this story and went to meet the boy.

 

I was listening to another gentleman talk about the American Dream.  There are different variants of this dream but one includes wealth.  He acknowledged the dream was full of lies, . . . you're not going to work yourself into a billionaire . . . they're not self-made . . . but as I understand he did not want the dream tossed because it motivates people to better their condition. 

As per many of your posts, what does it have to do with the subject at hand?

33 minutes ago, Rocky said:

Today's what? Do you mean today's American culture and society? With that specified I'd agree with you. Culture and society never has been about logic. However, I could direct you to numerous books to shed light on the subject, if you'd like. Just let me know.

Regardless, I realize it's incredibly frustrating to come to awareness that facts and reality play such a small role in American culture. Btw, I have a t-shirt which declares "Truth Matters: Go Fact Yourself."

Specifically I am referring to the discussion of this thread. To be comforted someone has to believe God called their loved one home to be in his choir. Instead of just believing they died and will be raised from the dead some day, as the bible states, they imagine something with no basis for it. The same as the young child, someone has to believe God called their child home to be in God’s garden. There is no basis for such conjecture, but it makes them feel better to image that. I attempted to show there is a relatively new belief by showing in the 1880’s people only mentioned suffering in response to death. I then expressed it wasn’t until the 1980’s people decided pet’s went to heaven to be comforted when a dog or cat  dies. There is absolutely no basis in fact for creating such an idea, and there is no proof people will be reunited with their pets someday. I showed how ridiculous this would be by saying someone who had 20 pets and how difficult it would be to have them all together. Or if a pet had 3 owners who would get to see them? Can you image how upset the steer is going to when he realizes you ate a steak off his flank? You had better run.
It is nuts to think any of this will ever happen. Let’s stay in reality for our comfort.

I then pointed out that it is at least, in the Koran, a Muslim warrior killed in battle for Alluh will be given 70 virgins. That has a basis in fact. 

Of course my view is, that the best we can hope for in death is we don’t suffer  too much in the process, and our rotting body will fertilize some plant and help it grow. There is nothing after this life than a hole in the ground. 

2 hours ago, Stayed Too Long said:

Being a Muslim about the best men can hope for, having sex with 70 virgins throughout eternity.

Question? How does one keep a woman a virgin in perpetuity? Will the courageous warrior have to accept used women after the 70th roll in the hay? Will he even want to support these women after 70 nites of bliss? Maybe there will be another war to fight and he can turn in the now non virgins for 70 new virgins? 
Just like the child being a rose petal in God’s garden, you can fill in the ending of this story for the Muslim man however it will make you feel good. Facts and reality serve no purpose in much of today’s logic. Feeling good is of the unmost importance. 

This is how death was mourned in the 1800’s. No mention of God calling them home, them meeting in heaven, god needing a rose petal, or God’s choir needing expanding. 
https://swahsociety.com/records/obituaries/obituaries-1880s

We have created scenarios that we believe will happen in the future after death to make us feel better. The bible only tells us to be comforted by the return of Jesus. No mention of spouses being reunited as husband and wife. What about the women who was married 4 times? Do any of her husbands even want to spend eternity with her? Nagging wives might be left out in the cold at the return if no husband wants to listen to her go on and on forever. 
Being a Muslim warrior is about the best men can hope for,  getting to enjoy sex with 70 virgins forever. 

We even had to create a heaven for pets in the 1980’s. The Rainbow Bridge assures us we will be reunited with our beloved pets in the future. Can you imagine the reunion of someone who has had 10 pets in their life? How about the pet that was owned by 3 people? Will there be a shared custody agreements for those in these instances? What about the pet that was abused by its owner? He probablty would only want to bite the owner all day long forever. 
Men seem to create feel good sceneries with no thought as go how it will be carried out.

I was just reading an obituary of a young child, and it said God needed another rose pedal in heaven, so he called this young girl “home.” Another obit I remember from the past, was the woman was an excellent singer, and God needed another member of his heavenly choir, so he called her “home.”
How many more rose pedals does God need in his garden?  I would think God’s heavenly choir was big enough by now, so he didn’t have to enlarge it?

43 minutes ago, Rocky said:

Seriously? I can't believe you actually think that could happen.

What is your concern? How is that after the return their will be no sin? Apparently the saved people will not be able to sin? Or if it is possible to sin, how is that absolutely no one will be to sin?

Mark said: “God did not make humanity as a puppet on a string with God controlling everything that we think and do. God simply gives humanity the free will ability to do different things with God not controlling everything that we think and do.”

Does this mean after the second coming that God will create puppets on a string so that everything will be perfect? Mankind will not have the ability to go against God’s will?

3 hours ago, Bolshevik said:

I tried a 10 year old MRE chicken dinner recently.  Because why not.  Not bad.  Even have these chemical heaters that cook the meal.  

Just add water.

Oh yeah . . . water.

MRE stands for Meals Ready To Eat…no water required or anthing else, as they are enclosed in a plastic pouch. You didn’t eat a 10 year old MRE if you were required to add water. Having spent 24 years in the militery I have eaten a few of them.

On 3/30/2022 at 5:12 PM, Rocky said:

I'm on the reservation list for a new Aptera solar powered vehicle... hoping my turn comes up in 2023.

Which distance model are you purchasing? The price varies considerably with the battery pack required to drive further distances. The price is quite reasonable and no $5.00/gal gas charges, and more and more electric charging stations are coming on line. The charts I have seen show it is considerably cheaper to “fill up” your electric car than your gasoline automobile.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/19/cost-of-charging-ev-vs-gas-prices.html

15 hours ago, oldiesman said:

Well said!    I would only add that Jesus accepted all the pain and suffering willingly.   What does that mean?   It means, he was at least partially responsible for it all happening.  

Wow!! Now God’s perfect son, Jesus Christ, was all along part of the problem. He must have been doing some sinning on the side? When? Was it during those  lost years from his age 12 to 30? 
Please fill us in why JC was also responsible for himself needing to die?

 

1 hour ago, Nathan_Jr said:

But the Constitution is a self-interpreting document from which we get righteous instruction for making three-fingered gloves for those completely incomplete people. Gloves for all without exception. It's so simple, if you just work it. Three-fingered hands fit perfectly in three-fingered gloves. Bless your little hearts. I wish you could read it in the original.

There was a Thriteenth Amendment passed and a civil war fought over a 150 years ago to correct the horrible injustice. In 1964 the Civil Rights Voting Act was also passed.

2 hours ago, Bolshevik said:

I've heard the terms aggressive atheist and new atheists.  I thought that fad went away.  That's what your unoriginal statements are usually associated with.  Seems more driven by an agenda than curiosity.   

 

 What is the concern if what I post is an agenda or curiosity? 

I just thought it very succinctly stated the obvious plus a few new ones. Combing through the bible you can easily read some crazy thing, (an animal is unclean if it doesn ‘t chew its cud), causing you to scratch your head, then close the book, and grab a beer. HOWEVER; Bob Dylan is now selling his brand of whiskey; Heavens Gate. So possibly a couple of shots of Double Barrel Whiskey will also do the trick.

20 minutes ago, cman said:

No to the question. I'm still a child of the one who could "come up" with me.

We are all certainly the child of a woman and man (are these still an acceptable descriptions of today’s sexes?) who decided to “come up” with us. 

35 minutes ago, cman said:

As a father I want the best for my kids. That involves letting them think for themselves a lot, even if they are wrong.

From my children's perspective I am both good and bad, depends on the day, or moment, or year. I am the thief, the destroyer and I give them an abundant life, as much as is in my power. As they have grown, they see more of what actually happened, and still happening.

Are you attempting to justify God’s totally incomprehensible creation of mankind by comparing him to yourself? You are so much better than anything he could ever come up with. After all, he botched the first creation so bad, he ended up killing them all. I think your family is in good hands and do not have to fear for their lives. 

22 minutes ago, Nathan_Jr said:

A cycle of mind-F's?
 

It's belief in ideology, in religion, that allows man to justify wicked deeds like slavery, rape and child sacrifice.
 

If Lot and his daughters were living today they would be in prison, because incest is about as bad as it gets. One of the daughter’s offspring with Lot, was even made the head of the Moabites. Along with slavery, rape, and child sacrifice, add incest to the list of sins God allows. Where, oh where, is his mind?

On 6/1/2022 at 12:36 AM, cman said:

My wife and I made 2 sons. I've told them not to do some things and they did it anyway. And I've told them to do some things that they didn't do.

I am sure every parent can relate to your experiences of raising children. Many times they do the opposite of what we wish they would. 
 

However, we are discussing God, the all loving, all knowing, and all powerful, creator. One would think he would have made us, from the beginning, perfect, not able to do stupid stuff. After all, that is exactly how life will be after the return, so it is within God’s grasp to make life perfect. 
 

But, if we look at Genesis 6:5-7: God has done some pretty stupid stuff, and he even acknowledges the error of his ways. This crazy action by God, resulted in mankind being destroyed. “And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the lord said, “I will destroy man….”

If God had fore knowledge, he would have known he created very imperfect people. Why make people, knowing you will wipe them off the face of the earth, in the future?

Cman, would there ever be any evil thing your 2 sons could do, that you would wish they had never been born, and kill them? 

16 hours ago, Raf said:

So many of the Bible's stories crumble when you look at them that way.

Hey, Jonah! Where you been?

Apparently God piped oxygen to Jonah for three days or he would have drowned or suffocated. Jonah more than likely had plenty to eat—raw fish the whale had caught.
 

It must have a rough ride for Johah in the whale’s belly as the great fish cruised up and down the ocean looking for food. Ouch!

On 5/27/2022 at 9:36 PM, Bolshevik said:

  I mean letters are symbols, so how'd you read about talking snakes in the first place?

Are you serious? Peek at Genesis 3:1.