Stayed Too Long

9 hours ago, WordWolf said:

An interesting point about vpw talking about power was that vpw usually ripped off other people's stories, other people's accounts of things happening, or he just made some up to support some point (his sole training was in HOMILETICS, or making stuff up.)   So, we got accounts of him healing lots of people where there were no witnesses and no proof very far away.... and when he couldn't produce even a FEW of those locally with twi'ers, it was THEIR FAULT he couldn't do it because the people in India believed to get healed and the people in the US didn't. 

So, vpw heals some imaginary people- or pretends he healed some real people, depending-  and then when it doesn't happen here, he blames the people trying to get the deliverance.  Things were never vpw's fault, to hear vpw say it. 

Other times, he copied anecdotes from real Christians- which wasn't as common because he would lack details. But their accounts helped him fill in the details of the fictional accounts he allegedly performed. 

If there is a Real God, this is NOT how He works, nor would He rely on con-men and hoaxsters to get the job done.  But you've heard He did- that's right, the con man insisted God Almighty worked through him and he was doing what God Almighty wanted.   Looking back, do you still buy that one?

“If there is a Real God……”.   what a tremendous statement.
Why would a loving God allow His people to be tricked by con-men and hoaxsters?  Has he enjoyed watching the suffering all the folks at GSC have had to endure at the hands of VPW? Why has He just sat back allowing such mental and physical anguish and pain? So many woman this loving God has watched as they were sexually abused by the leaders supposedly representing Him.

 I guess we are supposed to believe there is this supreme being floating around some place in the vast universe He created. Not only does he monitor our every action, but also our every thought. Not just your and mine actions and thoughts, but every person who has ever lived, and will ever live. And He keeps track of every action and thought, good or bad. If the thoughts are good He will lay some nice rewards on us at the end of time. If they are bad, forget it….you will be cast into the ever unquenching fires of hell for eternal suffering.

 

 

8 hours ago, cman said:

seems the natural conclusion to what twi teaches

I don't know if you believe that bs or not

If the bs you are referring to is my post about a crazy god who has caused extreme pain on the human race, then yes,  I do believe it. If the bs concerns some teaching by TWI, please elaborate.

On 9/8/2023 at 9:55 AM, Raf said:

Glad you survived.

I'll pray for you.

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HAHAHAHAHAHA!!

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Ok but seriously, you're in my thoughts and I hope you have a good support network to walk you through.

The best anyone can do is to have thoughts and prayers. 

35 minutes ago, Rocky said:

Dude, I don't and wouldn't speak for cman, but really even if he was criticizing you, blow it off. In the grand scheme of things/life, it doesn't matter whether anyone here ever agrees with us or not. 

Hey Dude, I am merely asking for clarification and wondering what his meaning was. Isn’t that the purpose of a discussion? If he is criticizing me, fine, I have no problem with it. Possibly we can come to an understanding.

In the grand scheme of things/life not too much that is posted on GSC matters if anyone agrees or disagrees with it. The reason it matters to me is someone trying to breakout from TWI can obtain support and understanding here.  Reading a post may free them from the bondage they are in. 

2 hours ago, chockfull said:

You’re easily entertained.  Wait until the real autocorrect power kicks in.  

When logic and good sense fail, all that is left is playing their ace in the hole….Judgement Day. “You just wait, someday you will stand before God and He will punish you for not agreeing with me. Waa Waaa Waaaa”

3 minutes ago, chockfull said:

What it does mean is that you are still trolling up disingenuous arguments that have nothing to do with your beliefs.  To me that distracts from people like the one on the Reddit article that really want to recover from TWI.

And yes your beliefs have everything to do with what you can and can’t read.  
This dense jackfoot statement really gets a chuckle out of me! Oops, I forgot to throw in how @sshat it sounds, also.

18 minutes ago, So_crates said:

And your point is...?

This is like Saint Vic preaching about unicorns and me saying we never were meant to have unicorns, so you respond: Since you left the ministry have you gotten any unicorns?

I missed the teaching where Saint Vic was preaching about unicorns.

15 minutes ago, So_crates said:

And your point is...?

This is like Saint Vic preaching about unicorns and me saying we never were meant to have unicorns, so you respond: Since you left the ministry have you gotten any unicorns?

Let me ask you? Do you believe people can manifest God’s power? 

8 minutes ago, So_crates said:

I think many of us here have done a brilliant job of moving on with our lives. We've succeed not because of, but in spite of the Way.

We've moved on, we're in it won't happen again mode.

Methinks thou protests too much. What haven't you forgiven and is stopping you from moving on with your life?

I have not questioned if you have forgiven anyone. If you have, or haven’t, that is fine with me. Move on with your life, or don’t move on with your life, that is completely up to you. 
I merely stated that a person had written in an article, and said they had to forgive their wrong doer before they could move on with their life. 
If that might help anyone in a similar situation, then wonderful. If the advise is not applicable to anyone in a similar situation, that is wonderful.

On 9/5/2023 at 9:14 PM, chockfull said:

I can forgive Stayed.  Well within my capabilities.  Has he asked for forgiveness?  Sounds to me more like a lecture hit and run.  We get quite a lot of those on this site actually.  Lecture hit and runs.  Is he of a mentally impaired or unaware state where he “knows not what he does”?  
Let me make this clear….I have not asked for your forgiveness because I have done nothing to seek your forgivemess. “A lecture hit and run?” I have never avoided any responses directed at me. Fire away! 
Apparently, because I do not agree with you and your God, I might be mentally impaired or in an unaware state? Does that follow anyone who doesn’t fall in line with your belief’s might be mentally impaired also?

LCM too.  Knew him personally.  He has never asked for my forgiveness for anything.  Right now he is teaching new interpretations of books of the Bible to an imaginary internet audience and none of those teachings seem to carry any awareness of being wrong or changing.  His own daughter has posted on here concerned about his ongoing influence.

I mean sure I’ve got my version of Jesus blanket forgiveness for those who are unaware of their evil impact.  
Care to share your version of Jesus’ blanket forgiveness? Are you sure it is a right dividing of the word of truth?

Do these two examples fit the bill?

Where does the verse in Romans about not taking vengeance because vengeance is the Lords fit in?  If the Lord always forgave everyone and required everyone else to then what would He have to take vengeance on?

This whole topic and the wrong dividing of scripture around it by the cult TWI has kept more people in bondage and whitewashed more evil by leaders than any other I know.

Quiet a statement! 
 

On 9/5/2023 at 5:29 PM, chockfull said:

You mean because I actually read the verses related to the topic as opposed to just buying your one-line mandate about forgiveness?  And ask detailed questions?

Also, you’re an @sshat who comes on a forum and tells victims what they need to be doing according to you as opposed to what they are currently doing.  That is called victim blaming you dense jackfoot.  You’re blaming them for their current state because according to you His Highness they haven’t forgiven their abuser so they aren’t delivered.

The fact that you don’t care what God thinks by your own mouth means you are a disingenuous jackfoot troll for baiting all of us in this conversation.

 

 

An @sshat, dense jackfoot, & disingenuous jackfoot troll, eh? 
No where has “His Highness” attempted to victim blame. I merely said that another person had said they had to forgive their wrong doers before they were able to move on with their life. If you don’t deem it necessary to forgive those who have wronged you, I have no qualm with that. 
Just because I don’t care what god thinks doesn’t mean I can’t read what he has said and put it in print. 

On 9/5/2023 at 7:19 AM, So_crates said:

Why would someone come onto a place where Way victims congregate and start talking about forgiving?

In a previous post I wrote how other people had to forgive their wrong doers, and only then could they move on with their lives. That is why I started talking about forgiveness.

Do you think we haven't forgiven all the evil The Way brought?

Some may have and some may have not. If they have forgiven, according to the article I quoted, they have a better chance of moving on with their lives.

There's forgiving, then there's warning others. If someone mugged me in certain place I could forgive the mugger. However, I would also warn other to stay away from the place were the mugging occurred.

On 9/5/2023 at 6:22 AM, chockfull said:

This is at best a partial statement that conveys none of the details surrounding the related verses.

Jesus 70x7 statement is in the context of the person committing the wrong asking for forgiveness, evidencing remorse, but falling short.  

Wrongly dividing scripture and reaching a conclusion where a victim should be blamed but a perpetrator should be excused is about the worst example of Christianity I can think of.  It shows worse than any other religion I can think of who would hold perpetrators accountable.

 

Maybe you can get me on the right track and rightly divide scripture for me about forgiveness, and show me how I have wrongly divided the word of truth? 

2 hours ago, So_crates said:

We were told we would manifest the power of God. How many do you know really did? How many healing and miricles are you aware that news of such didn't come from a friend of a friend (a ministry urban legend) ?

You see, the truth of the matter is that we were never meant to manifest the power of God,  to become successful. Because if we ever did manifest that power we would become to Independent and, in Saint Vic's mind, might no longer need him. So it was to his benefit to keep us in a cycle of failure which would keep us dependent on the ministry.

You would think God would want you to succeed and be a shining example of his love. Yet, the ministry was based on you failing.

Since breaking away from TWI and VPW’s control to keep you in a cycle of failure,  have you begun to manifest the power of God, bringing about healings and miracles?

5 hours ago, cman said:

yeah stl, that's the kind of crap taught, not only by the way but many others

even the "fall of man" teachings was something that came out of the Nicene council

so much bs to unload to really see, it's gotta be god to show us truth

Hi cman

Sorry, I am missing the drift of your post. Are you saying my post is crap? And that what was declared in the Nicene Council about the “fall of man” teachings, was also bs? And some how God who will eventually show us the truth? Please elaborate. Thank you.

Anyone who believes in, and especially one who continues to believe in, a God, after being exposed to the god’s cruel actions and requirements, is difficult to understand. 
Imagine, if at all possible, a human father who starts his family, and says all will be wonderful until they commit one specific wrong. And once they do the wrong, the father will no longer communicate with them. He will leave them on their own for thousands of years, then later, he will send a brother to be tortured and crucified, and for some crazy reason, then this sick father will once again be happy, and will talk with his children again.
Of course this father will not accept responsibility for his nutty actions, but will blame it on someone he calls the devil, who he created in the first place. Supposedly the devil was like the father’s children, and was told he would be okay unless he sinned against the father. He also sinned against the father and was thrown out too. Now, the father has turned the devil loose, and the father  has given him tremendous power to trick the fathers other children to make them sin. Then, deja vu, once again, the father will refuse to communicate with his kids until they beg him for forgiveness. If they die without getting his forgiveness, the child will be cut off from the father forever, and suffer eternally, with the devil. The devil and the sinning children are failed creations of the father. 
This father is certainly not someone I have used as any type example to raise my children. If I did any of the acts of this cruel father, I would be in prison for the rest of my life,  if not executed.

On 9/15/2023 at 7:56 AM, Mike said:

It is my understanding that the country of Belize has no copyright treaty with the USA. 

Belize does respect the copyright laws of other countries.

https://www.belipo.bz/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Copyright-Orders.pdf

With Aaron Rodgers’ out for the entire season because of an injury to his Achilles Tendon, the debate over artificial turf vrs natural grass is coming up again.

https://www.hss.edu/conditions_artificial-turf-sports-injury-prevention.asp

Hi Alex

Feel free to search the many subjects about The Way International that have been posted at GSC over the past 20 plus years. I am sure you will find answers to a number of your concerns, and if not, please begin your own posts. Others here can probably fill in the blanks for you.

WELCOME!

The loss goes to show Mahomes can’t win the game by himself. He can turn the magic on, but he still needs receivers who can catch the ball. Kadarius Toney dropped the ball three times with one resulting in a touchdown for Detroit. Skyy Moore and Jerick McKinnon also dropped the ball once. Starting Wide receiver Travis Kelce was also out with an injury. 
The Chiefs beat themselves.

On 9/8/2023 at 5:45 AM, penworks said:

LCM letter 1990.pdf 413.28 kB · 19 downloads

Attached is an old Way document: A form letter from Craig Martindale in 1990 to all Way Corps. Weirdly, I was already OUT. Escaped HQ in 1987. He was well aware of that and of my unmendable break from TWI!

But of course we know these letters were sent out to everyone on the Corps list without consideration for details like whether or not they'd repudiated TWI. LOL.

 

Ironic LCM casts aspersions on those who float around on debris, but held so very proudly that he was a part of the remnent of those left in TWI. LOL. Now he is one of those whom are floating around on the debris with his online teachings. Or does he still see himself aboard the luxury liner? 

Glad you are doing ok.

1 hour ago, chockfull said:

You mean because I actually read the verses related to the topic as opposed to just buying your one-line mandate about forgiveness?  And ask detailed questions?

Also, you’re an @sshat who comes on a forum and tells victims what they need to be doing according to you as opposed to what they are currently doing.  That is called victim blaming you dense jackfoot.  You’re blaming them for their current state because according to you His Highness they haven’t forgiven their abuser so they aren’t delivered.

The fact that you don’t care what God thinks by your own mouth means you are a disingenuous jackfoot troll for baiting all of us in this conversation.

My beliefs, or unbeliefs, in God have never been hidden by me. There are ample posts on the atheist thread by me questioning God. That makes you an @sshat?? and jackfoot troll?? for assuming anything other than what I have posted? How do you think Rocky knew to question me about my prior posts?  I am not interested in baiting anyone; you seem to be the only one not aware of what I have posted in the past.

When you recopied this post your comment was  you didn’t care to rehash it. It is hard for me to understand exactly what that means to you?  

This is my final post on this thread. 

 

 

1 hour ago, Rocky said:

I seem to recall you not being so concerned with what God requires of people. Am I wrong? If so, what changed?

You are correct about me not being concerned about what God thinks, and  nothing has changed, but I can throw my two cents worth in. In this situation, forgiving those who have done you wrong, I agree. In my own personal life, forgiving others has been necessary, and freed my mind from holding grudges. 

A clock that doesn’t work is accurate twice a day. The bible addresses many subjects, so it is bound to be correct once in a while.

Thankfully we have Chockfull who can determine when I get things wrongs. She can tell us when I have wrongly divided the word of gawd, and will point out the worst example of me being a Christian. Amen. 

7 hours ago, chockfull said:

This is at best a partial statement that conveys none of the details surrounding the related verses.

Jesus 70x7 statement is in the context of the person committing the wrong asking for forgiveness, evidencing remorse, but falling short.  

Wrongly dividing scripture and reaching a conclusion where a victim should be blamed but a perpetrator should be excused is about the worst example of Christianity I can think of.  It shows worse than any other religion I can think of who would hold perpetrators accountable.

Wow!! Who do you think you are? First off, I have never blamed, or suggested, the victim was responsible for any wrong done to them. Perhaps you should check out the subject of this thread, one which you began; it is about forgiveness, not blaming the victim. Please don’t go off topic.
Secondly, your declaration of what the worst example of Christianity is, sets yourself up as the authority of how to interpret the bible. You have learned well from, as you put it, the plaffy class, Chockfull. VPW and LCM would be proud you have taken the mantle of rightly dividing  the word of Gawd.