templelady

I knew the date

Before I opened the thread I had a 9.999999999% hunch it was a hoax -->

But there was still a .000000001% chance thtat my dreams had come true--

Ah well hope does spring eternal in the human breas t

PB is one of those foods that just seems to go with an amazing variety of other foods ---as for the pickle relish & onions--don't knock it till you try it LOL

YOu can't answer your familY etals

WHY??WHY??WHY??

If you aren't even sure what happened, really happened, much less why. WD AND GSC got reality back in focus for me because for many years I just thought I was crazy.

I always wanted to serve GOD in some capacity--ANd there are various arenas in life I try to do that.

Here at GSC I post a lot on threads that have to deal with family and abuse issues--

I don't always know how to put all of what is in my heart into words, and sometimes the bits of residual anger just spill out.

But for me GS is a chance to reach people.

If I reach just one Mother( or father)who stays in TWI or any other abusive relationship for fear of losing her/his children I feel I will have succeeded in my self proclaimed mission. I may never know in my lifetime if I do--But God will

....... "lay ye up treasures in heaven

CW I thought I taught you better girl!!! ;)-->

You forgot the sauted onions

you take whole grain bread and toast it

put a lite coating of butter on then the PB (while the toast is stil hot so the PB kinda soaks in the toast). The a nice portion of Hot sauted onions the ice cold sweet pickle relish>>>>

""heaven...I'm in heaven...."

By their campaignes of slander and defamation TWI makes it clear to all believers that if they should be so foolhardy as to leave "the household" not only will they be defamed within the Household but those same slurs can be presented to civil authorities as character assassination.

Try explaining to angry adult children who want to know why you just didn't leave that

A--you had no friends outside of TWI

B-- either you were the breadwinner which meant you had to go to your job therefore were easy to find or you didn't work which meant you had no money to leave on

C=-- If by some miracle you did manage to flee TWI would throw it's resurces behind the parent who remained "standing". Bringing in character witness after character witness to show your mental instability, your general unfitness as a parent --thus ensuring the "faithful" party would retain the children. the house and/or houshold furnishings etc.

The power of M & A is not so much what they can do when you leave --and that damage is considerable--but that it keeps those on the fence from even trying to make a break for it especially if there are children involved.

The difference between now and the 80's and early 90's is we have places like GS with ex members who will hold out helpng hands. In the 80's maybe even earlier--fleeing an abusive spouse or just TWI in general was akin to a prison break.

I did it again :(-->

dead as a doornail

Another thread I have doomed to obscurity -->

A bad tree can't bear good fruit--

If you start out with a basis of theft and lying no matter how little or how much you have a house upon the sand.

Like cups that are white on the outside and dirty on the inside or like Whited seplechers [sic]

it rots from the inside out

***having thrown enough metaphors for the day TL slips back to lurk mode**

MY HEAD HURTS--the result that always happens when forced to read what passes for logic amoung the Twi(t)s (LIke that name BTW ;)-->)

Twi Leadership just couldn't stand rejection in any form--they never reached the level of emotional maturity to realize that rejection was not a personal vendetta against them, so lashed out like an angry child yelling "I Hate You".

They then conducted a whisper campaign comparable to a bunch of Junior High Girls who are the self-declared Queens of the Campus removing any girl they perceived as a threat to their status.

It was the defense of insecure people who felt that only by being a dictator and micro-manager were they able to hold followers--lacking any self confidence in their own abilities or the abilities of others.

I don't think that they really ever considered how their actions were perceived by others nor the long term results --being narcissists they only were interested how actions affected them.

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"If you have a chronic illness in your life, it is because you have chronic sin in your life."

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Hasn't Craigers struggled with Depression most of his life--

Guess it takes one to know one! :D-->

Several Cats

SOmeone said earlier that they hoped pets got into heaven--Just remember that man was the only creature kicked out of the Garden of Eden and therefore the only creature capable of sin and separation from God

CW you know what was going through the heads of those of us in Alaska that weren't part of the in crowd--

We were afraid, And we were depressed, and we didn't know who we could trust, and 1/3 the time we believed we deserved the bad in our lives because of our lack of believing, and 1/3 the time we were just plain mad and the other 1/3 too numb to care.

But there were still good people amoung us--Spaghetti dinners held at each others houses on the spur of the moment with no leadership invited. Of course we caught H*ll for it later on but they were fun.

I think in some areas of the country, that were just too samll to be of much consequence in terms of overall income generated, there were probably good people as leaders and the love of GOD was preached before the legalistic BS permeated all it touched.

I believe that GOD judges the intent of the heart and if your labors in TWI were designed by you to bring other grafts to the true vine and you did this with honesty and a pure heart--that GOD in his infinite mercy and wisdom will reward you for those efforts no matter the vehicle you were riding on.

THe thought that clicked in my brain after the phone call I mentioned earlier in this thread was this:

"Wait a Minute-Dr. Wierwille said that illness was of the devil and GOD never punished any of his children with Illness. Yet here I am being told that GOD has punished me with Multiple Sclerosis."

And odd as it sounds everything I had been taught and struggled with the last 7 years just went POOF.

Didn't know what I was going to do, or what I should believe but I just knew what I'd been believing-- or more acurately --trying to believe just wasn't it.

Not very long after came the tears and the guilt and more pain than I thought possible--BUT GOD and Jesus Christ were there for me even when I didn't realize it -And of course still are

Hope your special day is wonderful

Happy Birthday

Happy Day--hope it is everything you want

Happy Happy Birthday to you

Me-

I don't know why or how

And I really don't mean too

But I post and suddenly the thread goes away--no one posts anymore and it just drifts into obscurity --

I can change --I really can if someone will just tell me what to change.

I was ill most of my time with TWI and even before--Various symptoms-- fatigue, tingling, numbness, blurred vision, muscle aches--came and went --no set pattern. This of course was due to my "lack of meekness to receive the word" "practice of witchcraft" "lack of Believing.

THen when I and My ex were arrested along with R*** U*****t for Child Abuse. Things really got bad.

As the trial date came closer TWI wanted me to plead guilty so that S****n, my husband, could go free as he was a "standing member of the household" and It was my "duty as a wife to sustain your husband so he can continue getting the WOrd over the World"

I refused and After St****n was convicted I went to a doctor. I had and still have Multiple Sclerosis.

I got a call from Jail --Seems leadership and My hubby (on the way to being ex-hubby) had had a talk and the following message was to be delivered

"the reason you have Multiple Sclerosis is due to your lack of Obedience and failure to support your husband by pleading guilty to the charges he was convicted of"

TWI and I had officialy parted ways (no pun intended)

THe problenm with TWI's Idea of "present truth" is that it has no roots in "past truth"--Like a sandcastle the whole thing gets swept away and a new one is forged from scratch

Happiest of Days, Dougie!!

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A belief that there are many gods but only one should be worshipped is henotheism, rather than monotheism.

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If that is the case then The Bible teaches henotheism.

In the Ten Commandments GOD doesn't say "I am the only GOD worship me" instead HE says "thou shalt have no other gods before ME"

Clearly showing that there are other gods but he is GOD.

I cease now because this is descending into doctrinalism which belogs on a different forum.

As for the "warning" I thank you but I am content with my decision and wish you joy in yours whatever it may be.

All true TRevor--

BUt we are only to WOrship GOD the father--thus we are monotheistic.

ANd somehow I knew that you once were :)-->

I thank those who were in the thick of things for their words--Maybe I have judged LCM too harshly these many years--I am Sorry that he did not follow those who wanted to right the wrongs--

MOst definitely we are monotheistic.

One GOD father of All, Jesus Christ His only begotten Son our only savior and redeemer and the Holy Ghost indwelling in those who have repented, and been baptized for the remission of sins.

I hear what you are saying Alfakat I know what others who were definitely closer to Cragers than I was have said And I'm not denying what happened at all.

What I am saying (and I know through personal experience) is that even tho' you just can't face getting out of bed in the morning it doen't mean that your mind isn't working on how to get out of the mess you are in.

In fact, if anything,,your mind, freed from the normal day to day routine, has even more time to dwell on the mess and come up with some pretty bizarre ideas how how to get out of it and get even.

I am many things but not a sociopath.

In my mind LCM is a socoiopath which makes those ruminations of an even more virulent kind. He may not have had the wherewithall to put his ideas into full action until the last part of the FOg--but those plans had been long in the making.

My thought processes--dangerous and murky territory for the unwary there!

THings I never agreed with:

I never agreed with the doctine that says:

If a man is born in A remote tribe in the Amazon basin with no contacts outside his little area and lives all his life in a righeous fashion he will not receive eternal life because he didn't accept Jesus Christ--never mind that there is no way that he ever had the opportunity while here on earth.

Mainstream CHristian View of Eternal Life --When my grandmother passed away. I mentioned that I was doing okay because I knew we would spend eternity together. I was told that isn't how it works--I then found out that What is considered "Mainstream" Christian doctrine teaches we will see each other ONLY at the ressurection then if we gain eternal life we will spend all eternity adoring GOD And Jesus Christ with no other thoughts in our head. Christian Churches don't really spell this out--most of us think we will get to be together for eternity and little is done to dispel this notion unless you confront it head on like I did

the Trinty --Much as I Hate to agree with ANything TWI taught they were right on this although I do not agree with many aspects of TWI's portrayal of GOD , Jesus Christ and The Holy Ghost.

So after 13 years of bouncing from here to there I joined the LDS church (Mormons) And am Happier than I've ever been