As bitter as you believe that we here at greasespot are....I can guarandamntee that there is nobody else on this planet that can really understand what is going on with you folks, much less sympathise.
Many times what you read as poisonous spew here, really may be nothing more than a challenge for you to critically view your thought processes. It seems like you have to some how brand us as evil or unspiritual in order to to be able to conveniently dismiss that which is too difficult to consider and flee back to your comfort zone.
Judge not lest ye be judged - an interesting piece of Bible that is often misused and misinterpreted.
Glad that you have an opinion sprawled out...we all have them.
Lots of bitter folks here in GS Land. I understand how that might have happened, but...work to get
over all that crap....time to get out of the mud and move onward and upward !!
God bless !
i'm not vicious or bitter, sam. but i have no patience for judgmental clowns in "christian" clothing. you don't even see it, with that beam in your eye--the smug, self-righteousness. the know-it-all attitude under the veneer of pseudo-humility. i'd feel bad for you, but to be honest, i'm fresh out of compassion for folks like you. (what did jesus call them? oh, yeah--hypocrites.)
so if the object of "mov[ing] onward and upward" is to get to where you are, no thanks.
i'm not vicious or bitter, sam. but i have no patience for judgmental clowns in "christian" clothing. you don't even see it, with that beam in your eye--the smug, self-righteousness. the know-it-all attitude under the veneer of pseudo-humility. i'd feel bad for you, but to be honest, i'm fresh out of compassion for folks like you. (what did jesus call them? oh, yeah--hypocrites.)
so if the object of "mov[ing] onward and upward" is to get to where you are, no thanks.
not really, EP. you completely dodged my comments. didn't address a thing. seemed incredibly weasel-y to me. honestly, i don't know what the deal is with the ces-defenders who have been coming around lately, but i'm not terribly impressed.
"clutches?" your choice of words betrays your prejudice, Esty.
perhaps you should advise the apostle paul. i guess he suffered all those lashings, imprisonment, etc. under some other yoke.
EP, you seem like a nice guy (gal?), but for a deadhead, you're pretty caught up in all the rules and regs of christianity. feels pretty at odds with misfit power. hey, if the Dead were about anything (other than music), it was freedom. or perhaps more precisely, anarchy. why not let it shine, EP?
let it shine.
Dear S.O.
Ok.
Since you've made it clear that your comments are not in good fun...
1.
I am not prejudiced.
I think you would love to stone me, or throw me off a cliff,
if you could really get me in your "clutches".
(and just because I'm paranoid
doesn't mean everyone isn't out to get me)
Let me be Dead Serious.
" there may come a day I will dance on your grave.
If unable to dance then I'll crawl..."
J Barlowe
But you are right, I am at odds with the misfit power of the Grateful Dead
I've chosen the Way of Life and Peace.
I'm way beyond going back....sorry.
If you're not impressed, then that's your choice.
2. here are Paul's words regarding his fellowship in the sufferings of Christ:
" For our light affliction, which is but for a moment,
worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory:'' IICor 4:17
No complaints from him.
or don't you believe Jesus when he said
" for my yoke is easy and my burden is light" Matt 11:30
let it Shine?
" if therefore the light that is in the be darkness,
how great is that darkness? " Matt 6:23
and I am not a gal, so just forget about me having your baby.
I think you would love to stone me, or throw me off a cliff,
if you could really get me in your "clutches".
(and just because I'm paranoid
doesn't mean everyone isn't out to get me)
is that paranoia or delusions of grandeur? yo, EP, you ain't jesus.
Let me be Dead Serious.
" there may come a day I will dance on your grave.
If unable to dance then I'll crawl..."
J Barlowe
huh? i know the quote, but don't get why you used it. you want to dance on my grave? nice!
But you are right, I am at odds with the misfit power of the Grateful Dead
I've chosen the Way of Life and Peace.
I'm way beyond going back....sorry.
If you're not impressed, then that's your choice.
i'm not. at all.
2. here are Paul's words regarding his fellowship in the sufferings of Christ:
" For our light affliction, which is but for a moment,
worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory:'' IICor 4:17
No complaints from him.
or don't you believe Jesus when he said
" for my yoke is easy and my burden is light" Matt 11:30
all i'm saying is that there seems to be a contradiction between what jesus is said to have said and what his followers experienced. personally, it doesn't matter to me. but i thought it should to you.
let it Shine?
" if therefore the light that is in the be darkness,
how great is that darkness? " Matt 6:23
cryptically dropping a scripture like that does no one any good, Esty. do you really want to communicate? then COMMUNICATE, don't obfuscate. (for communication's sake, that means: "1. to confuse, bewilder, or stupefy. 2. to make obscure or unclear. 3. to darken.)
thanks, WW. but honestly, i'm not frustrated. i'd just had enough of the self-righteous religious bs that's been popping up on these CES-related threads. making themselves out to be so spiritual and jesus-like, while shucking and jiving like pharisees. i thought they could use a reality check--not that i really believe it'd do any good.
it's been an education for me, though. and it's confirmed that my running from the proto-CES 20 years ago was a smart move!
If they can not convince you , then they dismiss you completely.
and if you continue to discussion beyond thier boundaries set in stone, they will attack you on a very personal level. Even friends they have for their entire life and folks who have worked for their agenda are not spared the cut off when it messes with their attitude of self righteousness.
how many organizations, or groups can honestly operate like that? nothing can get done in the real world of communication or justice with that type of bully my way or the highway attitude.
why cant they understand ? because they believe they are better and closer and more in tune with a god and this gives them the super power they live off in some fantasy world they have created all for them.
hello ?????????????
Jesus Christ was NOT an outsider nor did he rebel against communities, He saved them and helped them and truly loved them. he NEVER dismissed anyone .
but you have your own throne to sit upon that you define , that is fine do it.
"the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God"
I'm still working on putting that one into practice.
i appreciate the apology, EP, but i didn't need one. i didn't feel you were "out of line" at all--you're free to say whatever you want here, as far as i'm concerned.
I agree that Jesus was not an outsider to the house of Israel.
I don't see this as an "Us" and "Them" scenario either.
I see this as a family situation where we are all generally open and honest and ugly sometimes.
If I sound self righteous at times,
its only because my old man can be so ugly and hurtful.
He is really the one I wanted to dismiss from the discussion.
and I am not involved with CES,
so don't let my behavior exemplify what they are all about.
If my retort s on the keyboard offended you,
then you should see me in a face to face encounter of a frustrated kind !!
Very hurtful.
It's the stuff that gets me marked and avoided and sent off to hell.
Jesus Christ is my only hope.
( I just got back from a time of cleansing with Him !!)
I was disqualied from ministry long ago, and rightfully so.
( not by CES if that makes a difference )
and perhaps knowing what I've been forgiven for,
is why I have no problem forgiving John Lynn and Mark Graeser.
Peace
o for the LOVE OF GOD!!!
your really a piece of work EP!
#1 on my list of your wrong is I do NOT forgive you for your sins!!! NEWSFLASH AGAIN IM NOT JESUS CHRST!!
this is the root of the problem al these mini jesus people running around capable of what only ONE MAN HAS ALREADY ACComplished and succeeded at!
it aint YOU me or the other girl or guy.
this is satan pure and simple, speaking to your mind.
he has brought your mind into YOUR OWN self and what YOU HAVE DONE and built shame and guilt to the point you feel BAD about being a son of God, he has told you it is all about you and what you did or didnt do and shame shame on YOU!
so now your not even good enough for your own Father who created you.
and jesus weeps, and remebers his body hanging and dying for you to know HIS love.
What eles can he do to help you understand HE has done it we are all ok now .
if you need to change some behaviours in your life then CHANGE THEM!!!!
but leave what MY LORD has to say to me to you to all of Gods creation alone.. because He simply says I love you so much I always obeyed God( it wasnt a easy ride but your so fun and my brothers and sisters) I left this earth and tok a HUGE risk thinking you would be ok and IT WORKED!!!!!
yeah it is a CELEBRATION.
IM alive!!! Im here with you every step of your life come what may LOOK LOOK what God Did for all of us because i obeyed till thevery end and the DEATH of me God made good on His LOVE for all oif us and NOW HE promises we can no longer DIE!
do not be sad my brother, it is ok , I love you says the LORD of all .
why cant it just be enough for you? why do you struggle so much? did the enemy discourage you so much that what Jesus christ has finished and now claims as a victory to be celebrated is a lie?
i'm not vicious or bitter, sam. but i have no patience for judgmental clowns in "christian" clothing. you don't even see it, with that beam in your eye--the smug, self-righteousness. the know-it-all attitude under the veneer of pseudo-humility. i'd feel bad for you, but to be honest, i'm fresh out of compassion for folks like you. (what did jesus call them? oh, yeah--hypocrites.)
so if the object of "mov[ing] onward and upward" is to get to where you are, no thanks.
nice post, rascal! well said!
Hey sprawled out. OK, if that's your attitude then I will see u later pal. I don't have time for you.
I'm trying to lay the facts as I see them. To me, you are very blind and arrogant, and my time is
valuable. I won't hold anything against you, but for now will put you on my ignore list. (I can hear
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As bitter as you believe that we here at greasespot are....I can guarandamntee that there is nobody else on this planet that can really understand what is going on with you folks, much less sympathise.
Many times what you read as poisonous spew here, really may be nothing more than a challenge for you to critically view your thought processes. It seems like you have to some how brand us as evil or unspiritual in order to to be able to conveniently dismiss that which is too difficult to consider and flee back to your comfort zone.
Believe it or not, most folks here care.
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i'm not vicious or bitter, sam. but i have no patience for judgmental clowns in "christian" clothing. you don't even see it, with that beam in your eye--the smug, self-righteousness. the know-it-all attitude under the veneer of pseudo-humility. i'd feel bad for you, but to be honest, i'm fresh out of compassion for folks like you. (what did jesus call them? oh, yeah--hypocrites.)
so if the object of "mov[ing] onward and upward" is to get to where you are, no thanks.
nice post, rascal! well said!
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Awesome post!!!
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not really, EP. you completely dodged my comments. didn't address a thing. seemed incredibly weasel-y to me. honestly, i don't know what the deal is with the ces-defenders who have been coming around lately, but i'm not terribly impressed.
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Dear S.O.
Ok.
Since you've made it clear that your comments are not in good fun...
1.
I am not prejudiced.
I think you would love to stone me, or throw me off a cliff,
if you could really get me in your "clutches".
(and just because I'm paranoid
doesn't mean everyone isn't out to get me)
Let me be Dead Serious.
" there may come a day I will dance on your grave.
If unable to dance then I'll crawl..."
J Barlowe
But you are right, I am at odds with the misfit power of the Grateful Dead
I've chosen the Way of Life and Peace.
I'm way beyond going back....sorry.
If you're not impressed, then that's your choice.
2. here are Paul's words regarding his fellowship in the sufferings of Christ:
" For our light affliction, which is but for a moment,
worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory:'' IICor 4:17
No complaints from him.
or don't you believe Jesus when he said
" for my yoke is easy and my burden is light" Matt 11:30
let it Shine?
" if therefore the light that is in the be darkness,
how great is that darkness? " Matt 6:23
and I am not a gal, so just forget about me having your baby.
....
" and if that Jubilee don't come
maybe I'll see you on the Run"
R. Hunter
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is that paranoia or delusions of grandeur? yo, EP, you ain't jesus.
huh? i know the quote, but don't get why you used it. you want to dance on my grave? nice!
i'm not. at all.
all i'm saying is that there seems to be a contradiction between what jesus is said to have said and what his followers experienced. personally, it doesn't matter to me. but i thought it should to you.
cryptically dropping a scripture like that does no one any good, Esty. do you really want to communicate? then COMMUNICATE, don't obfuscate. (for communication's sake, that means: "1. to confuse, bewilder, or stupefy. 2. to make obscure or unclear. 3. to darken.)
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Take it to the Soap Opera S.O.
I'm not going back and forth with you any more.
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sprawled out
fine with me, EP. take your ball and go home.
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May I recommend something?
Both of you are normally a lot better than this recent exchange.
May I suggest a little time away from the keyboard, maybe a brisk walk, and indulging in another
activity before giving this a fresh look?
It's done wonders for me when I get frustrated..
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Did they take their jacks and go home?
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thanks, WW. but honestly, i'm not frustrated. i'd just had enough of the self-righteous religious bs that's been popping up on these CES-related threads. making themselves out to be so spiritual and jesus-like, while shucking and jiving like pharisees. i thought they could use a reality check--not that i really believe it'd do any good.
it's been an education for me, though. and it's confirmed that my running from the proto-CES 20 years ago was a smart move!
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yep that is the attitude alright.
If they can not convince you , then they dismiss you completely.
and if you continue to discussion beyond thier boundaries set in stone, they will attack you on a very personal level. Even friends they have for their entire life and folks who have worked for their agenda are not spared the cut off when it messes with their attitude of self righteousness.
how many organizations, or groups can honestly operate like that? nothing can get done in the real world of communication or justice with that type of bully my way or the highway attitude.
why cant they understand ? because they believe they are better and closer and more in tune with a god and this gives them the super power they live off in some fantasy world they have created all for them.
hello ?????????????
Jesus Christ was NOT an outsider nor did he rebel against communities, He saved them and helped them and truly loved them. he NEVER dismissed anyone .
but you have your own throne to sit upon that you define , that is fine do it.
Just leave God who loves all of us out of it!
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You're right WordWof.
I'm sorry that I got out of line.
Please forgive me everybody,
especially you Sprawled Out.
"the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God"
I'm still working on putting that one into practice.
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Pond,
I agree that Jesus was not an outsider to the house of Israel.
I don't see this as an "Us" and "Them" scenario either.
I see this as a family situation where we are all generally open and honest and ugly sometimes.
If I sound self righteous at times,
its only because my old man can be so ugly and hurtful.
He is really the one I wanted to dismiss from the discussion.
and I am not involved with CES,
so don't let my behavior exemplify what they are all about.
If my retort s on the keyboard offended you,
then you should see me in a face to face encounter of a frustrated kind !!
Very hurtful.
It's the stuff that gets me marked and avoided and sent off to hell.
Jesus Christ is my only hope.
( I just got back from a time of cleansing with Him !!)
I was disqualied from ministry long ago, and rightfully so.
( not by CES if that makes a difference )
and perhaps knowing what I've been forgiven for,
is why I have no problem forgiving John Lynn and Mark Graeser.
Peace
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i appreciate the apology, EP, but i didn't need one. i didn't feel you were "out of line" at all--you're free to say whatever you want here, as far as i'm concerned.
and i'm free to disagree. :D
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o for the LOVE OF GOD!!!
your really a piece of work EP!
#1 on my list of your wrong is I do NOT forgive you for your sins!!! NEWSFLASH AGAIN IM NOT JESUS CHRST!!
this is the root of the problem al these mini jesus people running around capable of what only ONE MAN HAS ALREADY ACComplished and succeeded at!
it aint YOU me or the other girl or guy.
this is satan pure and simple, speaking to your mind.
he has brought your mind into YOUR OWN self and what YOU HAVE DONE and built shame and guilt to the point you feel BAD about being a son of God, he has told you it is all about you and what you did or didnt do and shame shame on YOU!
so now your not even good enough for your own Father who created you.
and jesus weeps, and remebers his body hanging and dying for you to know HIS love.
What eles can he do to help you understand HE has done it we are all ok now .
if you need to change some behaviours in your life then CHANGE THEM!!!!
but leave what MY LORD has to say to me to you to all of Gods creation alone.. because He simply says I love you so much I always obeyed God( it wasnt a easy ride but your so fun and my brothers and sisters) I left this earth and tok a HUGE risk thinking you would be ok and IT WORKED!!!!!
yeah it is a CELEBRATION.
IM alive!!! Im here with you every step of your life come what may LOOK LOOK what God Did for all of us because i obeyed till thevery end and the DEATH of me God made good on His LOVE for all oif us and NOW HE promises we can no longer DIE!
do not be sad my brother, it is ok , I love you says the LORD of all .
why cant it just be enough for you? why do you struggle so much? did the enemy discourage you so much that what Jesus christ has finished and now claims as a victory to be celebrated is a lie?
then please do not tell me He is your LORD.
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Hey sprawled out. OK, if that's your attitude then I will see u later pal. I don't have time for you.
I'm trying to lay the facts as I see them. To me, you are very blind and arrogant, and my time is
valuable. I won't hold anything against you, but for now will put you on my ignore list. (I can hear
you cheering!!)
CS
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