SIT as TWI taught it was corrupted. Having experienced the real, I can only say that when that gift becomes part of a persons life experiences it is a profoundly uplifting and changing experience.
As to referring to the manifestation of any of the gifts of the spirit as baby: it is my opinion that all gifts are exactly what is needed and in what measure when they are manifested. Hence to declare that any person so manifesting is doing "baby" manifesting is in fact dengrating the manifestation as presented by the person manifesting.
templelady - I would say too "SIT as TWI taught it was corrupted" and I have "experienced the real" too
templelady - "that any person so manifesting is doing "baby" manifesting is in fact dengrating the manifestation as presented by the person manifesting" that is ok you see it like this my friend
Mr. Hammeroni - yes "Daddy, daddy" " is but just a beginning. " yes I see it like that too
Mr. Hammeroni - "That's about the best I have for you tonight friend" your best was great my friend
A person can, and is certainly free to give your own opinion on any topic you choose.
However. To say that "we" as in we ALL spoke baby talk when we spoke in tongues (IF we actually did speak in tongues) when we were involved w/TWI is something one person really has no basis to make such a general statement about.
The reality of speaking in tongues is that it is completely between God and the individual - period.
Personal experiences in TWI were so varied from area to area and in era to era. Nobody can actually make a factual statement regarding the general experience people had, especially when it comes to something like speaking in tongues.
That, is my opinion on the matter.
I'm not following the logic here, having a hard time wading through the religious speak to get to something real that makes sense.
As MO said, I did have a profound, life changing experience the first time I spoke in tongues. It was only afterwards when I attended a Twig and heard tongues with interpretation that I knew it had a name. I just knew it was another, heavenly language, and it was praise to God.
It was one real thing in my life that will never change.
my first SIT was a real thing that will never changed too but as I first spoke in tongues to myself while speaking in tongues out loud it was real too and it will never changed either
I am not trying to lessing tongues experience but add stages of experiences to it
No one will ever be able too my either "No one has ever been able to mess that memory up. "
hey Roy...as much as this may not feel good to read for some..and may cause certain reactions
i can hold my tongue around the topic no longer...and so truly sorry for the feathers i may ruffle
but i would go as far as to say that whatever the advent of first century tongues was...was NOT what we were taught in PFAL/TWI
and i say this as one who very much still loves to "speak in tongues" like we were taught in PFAL/TWI
and very strongly believes there are/were valid and authentic benefits in our lives to do such a thing
though i think it might be better to call it something like "singing with the mind and voice of an infant"
...which is truly great, healthy, important and all that...cuz we are actually exercising an actual part of the actual body and mind that has been in us since we were born.....and perhaps even a bit before that
but this form of ecstatic prayer and language that was common in all cultures more than a millenia before the infamous pentecost
...during mankind's infantile stage of development (prior to even Abraham)...
it is basically how we learned to speak in the first place as human beings
i would consider this the FIRST angel's tongue ...when children learn to cry and make noise for being hungry and/or uncomfortable and such
this tongue is as red as adam...just barely a notch above critterdom
its how baby birds learn to peep for worms
and sing at the sunrise
and its no wonder to me how so many in our modern mainstream culture would get something out of this way of speaking in tongues
given that we are so disconnected from our earliest human roots as to be almost completely alien to it
and would mistake it for some sort of new advancement in thought and practice...
simply for being new to our experience (new...by way of amnesia)
yep...we are gonna get some nourishment out of what i would consider a "descending move to speak in the tongue of the first angel"
cuz its has been so so many years since we knew that very early place when we first came from the blood red earth and clay
...
when thinking of how you have presented it here, Roy...i cant help but think of this thread:
because it seems ever clearer to me that the great occasion that marked a new way of being among those radical spiritual students we are all so fond of
had more to do with INTERFAITH DIALOGUE and the capacity to discuss spirituality in terms of a SPECTRUM ... in terms of both color and sound
...
why should it seem so strange
that these radical spiritual students who were actually practicing opening their hearts to the most incredible states of compassion
would learn to see truth as it actually exists beyond the racial language of their ancestory
in ways that even recognized similar same truths
and were recognizable as similar truths
in languages from all over the world?
how could one (in a pre-modern era) reach such a point of recognition (beyond language) unless they got beyond the racial limitations of their own tradition?
what exactly was the sin that jesus freed his people from?
did it have to do with the sin of a closed heart?
an inherited position of simply being tribal?
the kind of sin an entire race is also quite innocent of?
and why would this move to being beyond a mere racial understanding of God save a people from their selves?
is it crazy to think that they finally opened their eyes to the fact that the spirituality of Abraham (who was NOT a jew) had influenced traditions all over the world?
and if the same incredible realizations of abraham were evident in all other traditions...certainly jesus recognized it as well (being such a good student of THE master)
why must the sacred texts of our world almost always be limited to some magical mythical supernatural explanation of the extraordinary?
...
and though i feel i do harp on this topic from time to time
i must confess that this is coming from a place of suffering for me
cuz its not easy to watch (and feel) the world's religions tear each other apart over the most absurd degrees of confusion of tongues
and misapplications of sacred texts and other xenophobic madness that betrays the depth of our own judeo-christian lineages
its not easy to watch people almost endlessly argue over the simplest misunderstandings
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SIT as TWI taught it was corrupted. Having experienced the real, I can only say that when that gift becomes part of a persons life experiences it is a profoundly uplifting and changing experience.
As to referring to the manifestation of any of the gifts of the spirit as baby: it is my opinion that all gifts are exactly what is needed and in what measure when they are manifested. Hence to declare that any person so manifesting is doing "baby" manifesting is in fact dengrating the manifestation as presented by the person manifesting.
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Roy, I think you have a good point. "Daddy, daddy" is but just a beginning.
And what about the millions of tongues.. have we heard them? Millions of different voices..
and they all may not contain the answer that we seek, but the answer that we need.
That's about the best I have for you tonight friend..
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Beloved templelady and Mr. Hammeroni
God loves you two my dear friends
templelady - I would say too "SIT as TWI taught it was corrupted" and I have "experienced the real" too
templelady - "that any person so manifesting is doing "baby" manifesting is in fact dengrating the manifestation as presented by the person manifesting" that is ok you see it like this my friend
Mr. Hammeroni - yes "Daddy, daddy" " is but just a beginning. " yes I see it like that too
Mr. Hammeroni - "That's about the best I have for you tonight friend" your best was great my friend
thank you two
with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy
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lo shanta ala shanta = ga ga goo goo
Don't know, SIT has always been rather just a, i dunno, confusing.
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God loves you my dear friend
that is ok if its confusing to you because there are seven more that are not SIT or interpretation of SIT
its good to see you here always
thank you
with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy
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A person can, and is certainly free to give your own opinion on any topic you choose.
However. To say that "we" as in we ALL spoke baby talk when we spoke in tongues (IF we actually did speak in tongues) when we were involved w/TWI is something one person really has no basis to make such a general statement about.
The reality of speaking in tongues is that it is completely between God and the individual - period.
Personal experiences in TWI were so varied from area to area and in era to era. Nobody can actually make a factual statement regarding the general experience people had, especially when it comes to something like speaking in tongues.
That, is my opinion on the matter.
I'm not following the logic here, having a hard time wading through the religious speak to get to something real that makes sense.
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Beloved HCW
God loves you my dear friend
yes that is ok "That, is my opinion on the matter" my friend
when it comes to truth logic is out the window the way I see it
thank you
with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy
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Hi Roy.
As MO said, I did have a profound, life changing experience the first time I spoke in tongues. It was only afterwards when I attended a Twig and heard tongues with interpretation that I knew it had a name. I just knew it was another, heavenly language, and it was praise to God.
It was one real thing in my life that will never change.
No one has ever been able to mess that memory up.
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Beloved waterbuffalo
God loves you my dear friend
my first SIT was a real thing that will never changed too but as I first spoke in tongues to myself while speaking in tongues out loud it was real too and it will never changed either
I am not trying to lessing tongues experience but add stages of experiences to it
No one will ever be able too my either "No one has ever been able to mess that memory up. "
thank you
with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy
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So what exactly are you talking about here, Mo and Roy? What is "the real"?? :huh:
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Beloved Twinky
God loves you my dear friend
Baby crying, and baby talking and the way we talk today are all real just differ levers of how we talk
when I was a child I talk as a child but when I became a man I spoke as a man
1 Cor 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things
just differ levers of growth
the first time I spoke in tongues I was unsure of my self I stop and went like a child trying to learn to walk
I see that there differ stages of growth with the way our spiritual growth changes as they become more like a man
I say but this is just me
tongues as a baby is real
tongues as a child is real
tongues as a teenager is real
tongues as a man is real
but we reach for tongues as Christ does to know as we are known
thank you
with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy
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hey Roy...as much as this may not feel good to read for some..and may cause certain reactions
i can hold my tongue around the topic no longer...and so truly sorry for the feathers i may ruffle
but i would go as far as to say that whatever the advent of first century tongues was...was NOT what we were taught in PFAL/TWI
and i say this as one who very much still loves to "speak in tongues" like we were taught in PFAL/TWI
and very strongly believes there are/were valid and authentic benefits in our lives to do such a thing
though i think it might be better to call it something like "singing with the mind and voice of an infant"
...which is truly great, healthy, important and all that...cuz we are actually exercising an actual part of the actual body and mind that has been in us since we were born.....and perhaps even a bit before that
but this form of ecstatic prayer and language that was common in all cultures more than a millenia before the infamous pentecost
...during mankind's infantile stage of development (prior to even Abraham)...
it is basically how we learned to speak in the first place as human beings
i would consider this the FIRST angel's tongue ...when children learn to cry and make noise for being hungry and/or uncomfortable and such
this tongue is as red as adam...just barely a notch above critterdom
its how baby birds learn to peep for worms
and sing at the sunrise
and its no wonder to me how so many in our modern mainstream culture would get something out of this way of speaking in tongues
given that we are so disconnected from our earliest human roots as to be almost completely alien to it
and would mistake it for some sort of new advancement in thought and practice...
simply for being new to our experience (new...by way of amnesia)
yep...we are gonna get some nourishment out of what i would consider a "descending move to speak in the tongue of the first angel"
cuz its has been so so many years since we knew that very early place when we first came from the blood red earth and clay
...
when thinking of how you have presented it here, Roy...i cant help but think of this thread:
how might we play at ways of being angels...
because it seems ever clearer to me that the great occasion that marked a new way of being among those radical spiritual students we are all so fond of
had more to do with INTERFAITH DIALOGUE and the capacity to discuss spirituality in terms of a SPECTRUM ... in terms of both color and sound
...
why should it seem so strange
that these radical spiritual students who were actually practicing opening their hearts to the most incredible states of compassion
would learn to see truth as it actually exists beyond the racial language of their ancestory
in ways that even recognized similar same truths
and were recognizable as similar truths
in languages from all over the world?
how could one (in a pre-modern era) reach such a point of recognition (beyond language) unless they got beyond the racial limitations of their own tradition?
what exactly was the sin that jesus freed his people from?
did it have to do with the sin of a closed heart?
an inherited position of simply being tribal?
the kind of sin an entire race is also quite innocent of?
and why would this move to being beyond a mere racial understanding of God save a people from their selves?
is it crazy to think that they finally opened their eyes to the fact that the spirituality of Abraham (who was NOT a jew) had influenced traditions all over the world?
and if the same incredible realizations of abraham were evident in all other traditions...certainly jesus recognized it as well (being such a good student of THE master)
why must the sacred texts of our world almost always be limited to some magical mythical supernatural explanation of the extraordinary?
...
and though i feel i do harp on this topic from time to time
i must confess that this is coming from a place of suffering for me
cuz its not easy to watch (and feel) the world's religions tear each other apart over the most absurd degrees of confusion of tongues
and misapplications of sacred texts and other xenophobic madness that betrays the depth of our own judeo-christian lineages
its not easy to watch people almost endlessly argue over the simplest misunderstandings
sigh
ug
yep...we sure do need a new tongue ...yet again
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Beloved Todd
God loves you my dear friend
we all ruffle feathers at times but that just life
yes this tread "how might we play at ways of being angels" has help me see things I may never look at without it
now because your good loving points so many I just going to say WOW out loud and hope many read your words
thank you
with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy
ps let me add to my first part of this tread address to all "all togues were real no matter what lever"
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