Why are Wierwille's Sins Excuseable and Martindale's Not?

[Oakspear]

I don't take Wierwille's (or Martindale's) offenses against others personally, but I do take note. For years the only information that I had (or at least the large majority of it)about the first two Presidents of The Way International came from...(*gasp*)the first two Presidents of The Way! And, surprise! I didn't hear anything bad from them about themselves!

Now I can balance that information with first-hand accounts of people who were abused by these two. In addition, I can see for myself the obvious plagarism, the outright lying, and the misrepresentations that both of these guys perpetrated.

In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is

Oakspear

[Oakspear]

SKUNK PELT!!!!!

I just wanted to say that again :P--> :D-->

In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is

Oakspear

[excathedra]

well thank you for saying that :)-->

and by the way to anyone who talks about "rumors," why in the friggin world would anyone MAKE STUFF UP -- stuff that makes them ashamed, feel like a fool, dah dah dah dah

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[Dot Matrix]

Oak

I love the skunk pelt thing!

[Dot Matrix]

Ex

Great point!

Like with M jackson. He has all these boys coming forward saying HE NEVER TOUCHED ME!

It does not matter if a thousand say it did not happen to me - if six are saying it happened.

Does that make the experiences of the six invalid? No....

[Oakspear]

ExC:

Well, there are sickos out there who might...it's happened. I don't know why, but some folks have been falsely accused before. Why someone would drag themselves through the mud like that is beyond me, but there have been instances.

Frankly, if it was just one or two I might have retained my own doubts, but there are just too many to be the fantasies of a sick mind out to "get" Wierwille.

In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is

Oakspear

[Oakspear]

By the way, I didn't make up the skunk pelt thing. Another GSer, whose handle escapes me, did about two years ago.

In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is

Oakspear

[Galen]

Dot-

I am sorry that the need appeared again for you to post your story again. My apology to you, if I had some effect in causing you more pain.

I know that their were in fact some who sought Way-Corps enrollment to truly better themselves and seek G-d. It just seemed like each time that we were un-fortunate enough to come in contact with a corp person, often they were jerks. Frequently they were not someone whom you would introduce to a 'new' person. They seldom had wisdom or discretion. I apologize for having lumped you into that miserable group earlier. The same goes to anyone else who sought W.C. training for such pure motives, but from reading other posts, I think we should all be able to agree that far too many went into the W.C. who were jerks.

:=)

[Raf]

Lifting a line from Dot's excellent post above:

quote:

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Woman confronted VPW all along and either left the ministry or the corps or were slandered by TWI and tossed out.

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Folks, this is what VPW did when he was alive to defend himself. The fact that he's not alive to defend himself now doesn't impress me much. This is how he defended himself when he was alive.

[excathedra]

galen, what am i , chopped liver ?

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[excathedra]

and dottie will agree with me i am sure that she and i are no different in that she confronted wierwille

because she happens to know me and the circumstances

however, dot, i don't want you to go into it as it is difficult for me to read it

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[Dot Matrix]

Galen

Thank you! I disliked the same corps you disliked I am sure. THOSE type of corps put the good corps through he ll.

I tired to protect those in my fellowship but I was berated often by my corps "leaders".

Just so you know, we did not like them either.

Ex had a VERY sweet fellowship and had to go through hoops to protect her people as well.

Liver - no you are not chopped! Kidding. EX- He is saying that to me because I posted my account again. I am sure he does not think of you or many others as the nasty corps.

Ya know Galen, VPW and LCM loved the very corps types that hurt us on the field.... Some scary truths there!

[excathedra]

yeah so what. we're deserving of being believed or loved because we post our accounts again ?

BS

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[Dot Matrix]

We posted at the same time. No, he just read what I wrote and commented. He may not even recall you went through similar things. I do not think he is being mean or deliberate in not saying "what you and Dot went through"

Heck, I read things all the time and forget who had what happen to them. I was going to mention Sunesis's great account and Valerie but then I thought it might be Kay... I forget.

I do not think he is slighting you.

[excathedra]

and another thing

from dot's excellent post:

"Woman confronted VPW all along and either left the ministry or the corps or were slandered by TWI and tossed out."

you all don't know the half of it

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[excathedra]

dot, we were posting at the same time

i don't wanna talk about it.... (is that a rod stewart song ?)

it STILL seems some people think you are more righteous now.... nothing to do with YOU

i love you

and also rafael and galen and whoever

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[Dot Matrix]

Linda

Ex went through similar things as me. It is very painful when people dismiss us as if we sit around making things up to "get" a dead man.

That is ridiculous.

As I said you may want to go back into the archives. She had a painful first hand experience as well. And was an innocent little teenager!

[Dot Matrix]

I am not more righteous than you. I JUST BROUGHT THE EXPERIENCE UP and he made a comment.

WE BOTH WENT THROUGH IT. YOu have a post button - you can share your story if you are inclined. I just wanted to help Linda see WHO she was defending.

[excathedra]

don't you yell at me. going away for now. it's "best"

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[Dot Matrix]

Here you go -- What do you want from them?

They have been kind and understanding when you brought up your story. Heck, Long gone went to bat for you on another thread!

Post your #$%%^& story then. What is the deal?

[excathedra]

leave me alone. please !!!!! you're my friend for christ's sake.

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[Dot Matrix]

I am not yelling. But you seem to have a problem with me posting my story and getting a response. Post yours then....

I am going away as well -- it is best!

[excathedra]

i'm sorry dottie. bye. i love you.

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[diazbro]

I;ve said this before and I'll say it again-

It blows my mind that people have tolerated behavior in VPW and LCM that they wouldn't even begin to tolerate in themeselves, their friends, parents, children, or co-workers.

In my mind such people are idolizing these

guys.

[excathedra]

dottie and i are on the phone and we are fine

(((((((we love each other)))))))

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