I don't recall this one at all. I do, however, remember VPW preaching, at the Advanced Class, from what we now know, thanks to the internet, to be an Oral Roberts sermon known as The Fourth Man. It contains the now famous Red Thread. As was typical of Wierwille, he gave no indication it was not his own work.
In case you're new to this site or have had limited exposure to the contents, here's a brief explanation of why Wierwille's originality raises concern.
Wierwille was a con man. Yeah, I know, that's cold. Sometimes the truth ain't pretty.
What he did was take the works of other ministers and pretend they were his own. Sometimes he copied whole paragraphs, word for word. Sometimes he copied whole books.
It wasn't just ordinary, run of the mill plagiarism, though. He pretended to get his information directly from God. He even concocted a surrealistic snowstorm story, complete with God speaking audibly to him, to add an air of mystique.
Even today, decades and decades later, there are still people who are convinced he was the real deal. I guess I can sort of understand their reluctance to accept the reality of what happened. Admitting the man was a fraud means you have to admit you fell for his scam. That's embarrassing, to say the least. If it makes you feel any better, I'll admit I was sucked into his game as well.
Well, at least there were WOW burgers to be had. Weren't they just the best?
I don't recall this one at all. I do, however, remember VPW preaching, at the Advanced Class, from what we now know, thanks to the internet, to be an Oral Roberts sermon known as The Fourth Man. It contains the now famous Red Thread. As was typical of Wierwille, he gave no indication it was not his own work.
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In my Advanced Class, VP credited Oral Roberts. But after playing the sermon he went on and on about how it broke his heart that "Oral Roberts sold out to the Methodists". Whatever that was supposed to mean. I can't remember his exact words but basically Wierwille said he the only one now standing on the Word. He didn't use those words, he was too clever for that.
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I don't recall this one at all. I do, however, remember VPW preaching, at the Advanced Class, from what we now know, thanks to the internet, to be an Oral Roberts sermon known as The Fourth Man. It contains the now famous Red Thread. As was typical of Wierwille, he gave no indication it was not his own work.
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An eyewitness once told me that vpw showed them a cache of materials (basically books)
that vpw used as his originals- that he read over the work of these other books
by accomplished Christians, and worked up his teachings from there.
It should surprise nobody by now- he used to rip off the people he supposedly
edited when he was small potatoes.
In hindsight, it explains why his presentation style was all over the map-
he just copied the presentation style of any presentation he ripped off!
So, at times he sounded academic, at times evangelic, at times cold,
at times warm, at times simple, at times exquisitely elaborate. All
straight out of someone else's playbook.
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For new arrivals:
In case you're new to this site or have had limited exposure to the contents, here's a brief explanation of why Wierwille's originality raises concern.
Wierwille was a con man. Yeah, I know, that's cold. Sometimes the truth ain't pretty.
What he did was take the works of other ministers and pretend they were his own. Sometimes he copied whole paragraphs, word for word. Sometimes he copied whole books.
It wasn't just ordinary, run of the mill plagiarism, though. He pretended to get his information directly from God. He even concocted a surrealistic snowstorm story, complete with God speaking audibly to him, to add an air of mystique.
Even today, decades and decades later, there are still people who are convinced he was the real deal. I guess I can sort of understand their reluctance to accept the reality of what happened. Admitting the man was a fraud means you have to admit you fell for his scam. That's embarrassing, to say the least. If it makes you feel any better, I'll admit I was sucked into his game as well.
Well, at least there were WOW burgers to be had. Weren't they just the best?
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In my Advanced Class, VP credited Oral Roberts. But after playing the sermon he went on and on about how it broke his heart that "Oral Roberts sold out to the Methodists". Whatever that was supposed to mean. I can't remember his exact words but basically Wierwille said he the only one now standing on the Word. He didn't use those words, he was too clever for that.
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Hmm, no comments on the piece I posted. Perhaps I was wrong, then, and VPW didn't use this at all.
Knowing what I know now, I can only imagine him using it as subterfuge - not with any sense of believing or meaning it.
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I either heard him use something LIKE this once,
or I heard him use this one once.
What I heard was him on a recording, complete with soft mood music in the
background while he spoke. In hindsight, it was completely contrary to
his usual style, and it's now obvious WHY it sounded nothing like him.
He was just an actor reciting a script the way the previous actor had
recited the lines.
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GeorgeStGeorge
I don't remember it from any of the classes. It's certainly possible that he stole used it in a teaching you may have heard.
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