WhiteDove, While I agree completely regarding a person's service towards God and think I understand in respect to a business rather than a church, I still hold to the point they taught us their version of "privilege". As if we'd not have this chance/opportunity every again anywhere else. Taking it away from serving God whom they supposedly worked for and directly to serving them. In that way it no longer resembled our giving to God and His church but to their ego and fleshly ways.
"Priviledge" is a pretty interesting concept. As my little brain can understand it, what are they REALLY saying?
"This organization, being the best thing to happen to the world since the introduction of soap, is worth sacrificing more than one seventh of your time, more than fifteen percent of your income, just to have the "opportunity" to kiss our rear ends even more in a bigger way, even though we have little to offer other that rehashed B.S., but you will suffer great consequences if you do not."
My point was that I consider things I do service to God. Sometimes people abuse the system take money when they don't really need it and so on... My service is between me and God if they abuse it then that is between them and God. My concern is that too many have no heart to serve because someones misuse has left a bad taste in their mouth so to speak. That is a loss for all mankind.
My point was that I consider things I do service to God. Sometimes people abuse the system take money when they don't really need it and so on... My service is between me and God if they abuse it then that is between them and God. My concern is that too many have no heart to serve because someones misuse has left a bad taste in their mouth so to speak. That is a loss for all mankind.
WhiteDove, I think we do agree.
While I'm not sure I agree with the Swiss bank accounts theory I do know they abused our ABS. Even if Uncle Howard said they could account for every penny of it. So I gave it over to God, and asked he honor my giving regardless of their usage of it (don't ask why I didn't just walk away okay).
My service is to God, agreed. And I've been some lost in that since leaving twi. But I'm closer to the source now than I was then, so I figure he'll be able to work better with me now than He could before. And He knows my heart in this area.
As far as "bad taste in mouth". Well I have a few things that make me crazy. And one is being a victim as convenience for a multitude of things. I have to believe as long as there are people around that need it there will be enough to serve for God's purposes. Or call me a daydreamer one WhiteDove.
I always wondered what would happen if "would you 'be blessed' to scrub my floors, toilet and rest of the house for the big meeting?" was answered by, "no thanks. I am already as 'blessed' as I need to be.."
The God-given divine right to humiliate, abuse or make utterly miserable the supposed non-standing part of the "family" of God at the gathering together, and even at this present time, if you are counted among the "most faithful".
Yep.. that's it. forgot it was published. I think this was one of Martinpukes failings. He did not really have the capacity to manipulate in a subtle manner- after a while, all he could do is scream. He replaced "tithing brings wings to life" with "if you do not give me a minimum of fifteen percent, God will not even spit in your direction."
I'd like to add that I don't know and really don't feel confortable judging that VPW taught that to manipulate people; all I know is, it doesn't work the way he taught it.
I'd like to add that I don't know and really don't feel confortable judging that VPW taught that to manipulate people; all I know is, it doesn't work the way he taught it.
True. Since I did not know him personally, I could not make that judgement either. But I do know where the underlings took things. These little phrases were used to manipulate in a big way.
No wings in life? God not spitting enough in your direction? You must not be "improving' on the tithe enough. Now it's not ten percent as a minimum, but fifteen, even twenty. Forget any logic; your problem can't be because you have not improved yourself enough to be employable.
I was always amused at the passing of the "horn of plenty"....now when I look back at it....what the subliminal messsage 'means" was the passing of the plenty horney..just a warped thought but you get my drift?
I was always amused at the passing of the "horn of plenty"....now when I look back at it....what the subliminal messsage 'means" was the passing of the plenty horney..just a warped thought but you get my drift?
Say what anyone else will, one of the best things I ever heard Vic say was at a meeting with the WOW's right after finishing the year. "A lot of you guys should really consider learning a trade."
I remember that he went on even more specifically that it would involve going to school.
No plug for the corpse, or more commitment, just good advice. They should have taken that little statement and put it in a book.
it's the word the word the WORD and nothing but the word~~~
has enny one ever mentioned this gem of toothpick?
excathedra
god i hate that phrase, song
Right on. It's like a sandspur between each my vertebra.
makes one wonder such a hiss up one's spine that others hold to TWIster Sssisssterss as if there is no thing such as dangerous cult offhisssspringhisss's
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WhiteDove, While I agree completely regarding a person's service towards God and think I understand in respect to a business rather than a church, I still hold to the point they taught us their version of "privilege". As if we'd not have this chance/opportunity every again anywhere else. Taking it away from serving God whom they supposedly worked for and directly to serving them. In that way it no longer resembled our giving to God and His church but to their ego and fleshly ways.
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"Priviledge" is a pretty interesting concept. As my little brain can understand it, what are they REALLY saying?
"This organization, being the best thing to happen to the world since the introduction of soap, is worth sacrificing more than one seventh of your time, more than fifteen percent of your income, just to have the "opportunity" to kiss our rear ends even more in a bigger way, even though we have little to offer other that rehashed B.S., but you will suffer great consequences if you do not."
I beg to differ.
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They really oughta lay off of these positive phrases. It's really sick.. makes bondage sound so wonderful.
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I think we are in agreement .
My point was that I consider things I do service to God. Sometimes people abuse the system take money when they don't really need it and so on... My service is between me and God if they abuse it then that is between them and God. My concern is that too many have no heart to serve because someones misuse has left a bad taste in their mouth so to speak. That is a loss for all mankind.
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Mr. Hammeroni, yup...you nailed it well there.
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WhiteDove, I think we do agree.
While I'm not sure I agree with the Swiss bank accounts theory I do know they abused our ABS. Even if Uncle Howard said they could account for every penny of it. So I gave it over to God, and asked he honor my giving regardless of their usage of it (don't ask why I didn't just walk away okay).
My service is to God, agreed. And I've been some lost in that since leaving twi. But I'm closer to the source now than I was then, so I figure he'll be able to work better with me now than He could before. And He knows my heart in this area.
As far as "bad taste in mouth". Well I have a few things that make me crazy. And one is being a victim as convenience for a multitude of things. I have to believe as long as there are people around that need it there will be enough to serve for God's purposes. Or call me a daydreamer one WhiteDove.
Sorry I derailed myself somewhat.
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I always wondered what would happen if "would you 'be blessed' to scrub my floors, toilet and rest of the house for the big meeting?" was answered by, "no thanks. I am already as 'blessed' as I need to be.."
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Here's another one from the Vey dictionary.
"Rewards."
The God-given divine right to humiliate, abuse or make utterly miserable the supposed non-standing part of the "family" of God at the gathering together, and even at this present time, if you are counted among the "most faithful".
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Maybe they were trying to target a different kind of crowd. Anybody into sado/masochism would find that kind of reward to be a dream come true!
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"Tithing is the minimum financial, health and accident insurance"
"Tithing brings wings to life"
"9/10 with Gods Blessings goes a lot further than 10/10 without Gods Blessings"
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Pretty good Oldies.. but how about:
"Don't bother praying if you do not tithe." I heard that one taught!
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"Don't pray for prosperity if you don't tithe"
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Yep.. that's it. forgot it was published. I think this was one of Martinpukes failings. He did not really have the capacity to manipulate in a subtle manner- after a while, all he could do is scream. He replaced "tithing brings wings to life" with "if you do not give me a minimum of fifteen percent, God will not even spit in your direction."
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I'd like to add that I don't know and really don't feel confortable judging that VPW taught that to manipulate people; all I know is, it doesn't work the way he taught it.
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Hey oldiesman, that is something from you!
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True. Since I did not know him personally, I could not make that judgement either. But I do know where the underlings took things. These little phrases were used to manipulate in a big way.
No wings in life? God not spitting enough in your direction? You must not be "improving' on the tithe enough. Now it's not ten percent as a minimum, but fifteen, even twenty. Forget any logic; your problem can't be because you have not improved yourself enough to be employable.
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I was always amused at the passing of the "horn of plenty"....now when I look back at it....what the subliminal messsage 'means" was the passing of the plenty horney..just a warped thought but you get my drift?
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Say what anyone else will, one of the best things I ever heard Vic say was at a meeting with the WOW's right after finishing the year. "A lot of you guys should really consider learning a trade."
I remember that he went on even more specifically that it would involve going to school.
No plug for the corpse, or more commitment, just good advice. They should have taken that little statement and put it in a book.
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"Your life is not your own"
"You were bought with a price"
"You owe your life to the ministry that taught you the word"
"You should support the ministry that taught you the word"
These were used to enslave TWIts and to guilt them into doing whatever they wanted them to do.
"If you're not growing you stagnate and your salt loses it's flavor"
Used to force people to sign up for the next class, WD, WC, etc.
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TheSongRemainsTheSame
"Pay no attention to the black loafers peeking out behind the cuff of fire engine red drapes."
Whoops, that would be another thread. But if ya hold it up to a mirror we have something else pertaining this thread.
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Right on. It's like a sandspur between each my vertebra.
makes one wonder such a hiss up one's spine that others hold to TWIster Sssisssterss as if there is no thing such as dangerous cult offhisssspringhisss's
just a thot
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Steve Lortz
"I have no friends when it comes to the Word!"
Friendships in the Way became very conditional and very shallow. The reality became, "I have no friends :-( "
Love,
Steve
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Holy Love & Cow, can't believe I was TWInty yearz involved and out now ten yearZ & realize i have mon amis
beyound such a word of deceit~~~
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