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Yes, he copied it.

This opens up a whole lot of other questions for me like, does God work with unbelievers as well. Maybe the whole rap of "the fruit of the spirit comes from the manifestations" is bogus. QUESTION for the group: did VPW make that up or did he copy it from elsewhere... Stiles, Leonard, or somebody else?

After watching many episodes of "The Practice" and enjoying it immensely, I have to admit, "It's Possible".

I can even hear the girlfriends say, "Yes, we get it." It's an oldie, but I'm not quite clicking on it. George

"Benny Hill"? George

This may be one of the most important topics of our time, i.e., What is Hell? I think Martin Luther struggled with it; certainly I do. Still haven't decided yet, still open to possibilities. Here's another book that I think we discussed at some point in the past: https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=32180704645&dest=usa&ref_=ps_ggl_17730880232&cm_mmc=ggl-_-US_Shopp_Trade_10to20-_-product_id=COM9780595143429USED-_-keyword=&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=17190383924&gbraid=0AAAAAD3Y6guhSTjDY6oAFsx9lSu4SnsCN&gclid=CjwKCAjwo4rCBhAbEiwAxhJlCSy6Q8uurSSH4soZ9p8JiiXjAh8S4jIwrnkXakdETCyLGnk95MVBbhoCj6kQAvD_BwE

Almost thou persuadest me to be an atheist

LMFAO!! I don’t think he ever said. He went to ROA ‘87-‘88, got blessed in spite of being high all the time, tried to go WOW, but the AC rejected his application, then he hopped from charlatan to charlatan and got kicked out of at least one other cult, IHOP. It’s hard to tell.

Yeah, I was kind of hoping for one straight answer as to exactly why you left twi or were you kicked out?

This is getting obnoxious

I met him at the candy store He turned around and smiled at me, you get the picture?

Sloop John B

There was already a whole thread about me. Without the hand of God on human history I'm just trying to give some atheists some happiness before the nuclear winter.

This is a show that ran in syndication in the U.S. for a long time. In the U.K., it did the same, AFAIK. In the UK, it was a 1-hour show. In the US, they snipped each show in half to make 1/2 hour shows, which is how they always aired, AFAIK. It is next to impossible to find this show in syndication now. I strongly suspect that far too many people were offended by the show- or are predicted to be offended by the show, for it to run now. That's a little odd, because, on the whole, it wasn't a show that specifically went for "shocking" or "edgy." This show was a comedy- although it did include musical numbers. It occasionally spoofed something- like "Gone with the Wind," "Murder on the Orient Express," and "The 6 Million Dollar Man." In particular, I liked when they looked at alternate takes on "Little Bo Peep." One version was a TV detective story, with Bo Peep arriving with a report of the missing sheep, another was a Swedish movie where we only saw the parts that could be aired on TV, and they included a Shakepearean version as well. Although only the host's name was known by everyone, a few of the regular performers were known by name- because they often used their own names when performing skits. It's one of very few shows that US audiences saw that was made by Thames Television. The controversy around the show nowadays is about the content. This show had comedy, but the comedy was occasionally racy- for the time, but not so much for now. Oddly enough, the real objections now would come from people who object to beautiful women being used in skits/scenes as beautiful women. (That's seen as "offensive" to a noisy minority.) I don't think I'd show this to a small child, but I'd be fine showing it to a teenager.

Where'd you get your data to back up that (specious) claim?

It seems there were a couple of the ten commandments covering lying and stealing. I wonder if they might be the part of the Old Testament Law that we don't need to bother complying with these day.

Exactly why did you leave then?

Plagiarizing is lying, stealing. A plagiarist is a liar and a thief. Claiming God taught you, but you really just plagiarized, is a wicked lie.

You should care DEEPLY about the plagiarism. Not only is it illegal, unethical and slothful, large portions of what he plagiarized have been shown to be inaccurate.

Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.

There are first hand accounts here. There is also a published personal memoir by a victim that details the sexual abuse.

If I stick around I'll probably read some of it. To me, I don't much care about the plagiarism. If you're calling him a charlatan at least he copied something ostensibly good to disseminate. Larry Flynt was distributing Hustler Magazine. I don't know how much the women are talking about what is now called clergy sexual abuse. It would be interesting to hear first hand accounts about how he operated and the impact on them- and how many of them were there? Were they all females? Seems I remember hearing both he and LCM had RVs that they used for immorality. Don't know if it's true. First hand accounts would be best. What else? Control. A rotten, angry Spirit? I still say I caught on to a more essential message. Make the word your own and grow in your own relationship with God. Talking about VP? OK. The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. VP wasn't the main thing for me.

BTW, the GSC is LOADED with a variety of discussions of everything I brought up, and many things I did not. The archives have many threads, the active "About the Way" has some, and even Doctrinal has some.