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I'll try to watch as much of her stuff as I can... she's got alot there. It may be helpful for someone simply to mention a topic that she believes in and we can discuss it outright rather than watch the video... "Legend of the Bell Witch" -- No problem believing it... evil spirits and related activities etc.

I'm up on a few now, give me a few to catch up.

Dammit!Yes, Turk 182.

I'm glad you guys knew it. I've heard of the movie but haven't seen it. George

This one I know. It's "Turk 182".

Dammit I know this one.

In terms of where this thread goes, I think the original purpose of Questioning Faith is to give unbelievers a place to express unbelief without interrupting genuine discussions about doctrine with predictable arguments that would literally derail every conversation. This is middle ground. If you want to discuss whether her observations are Biblically correct, this is the right forum for that. I agree that the apparently misogynistic elements of the epistles are probably not genuinely from Paul, and as long as "that wasn't in the original -- scratch it out" is fair game within doctrinal, I think it's fair game here.

In the 90s, we considered 60s songs as "oldies." They were as old then as 90s songs are now. Sadly, except for a couple of satellite stations, you just can't hear 50s-70s songs on the radio anymore. George

Yeah, I know. I thought the same thing.

Yes. Nothing short of remarkable. He finished #35, not that it really matters..

OK, this one was on my mind. I'll take a shot and see if anyone can get it. "ZIMMERMAN FLEW. TYLER KNEW." "JUST ONE MORE QUESTION, MISTER MAYOR... ARE YOU READY? THINK HARD! WHO FLEW? ZIMMERMAN FLEW, THAT'S WHO! AND WHO KNEW? TYLER KNEW, THAT'S WHO!" Let's see if anyone can tell us who brought us those messages (not counting me.)

"This show has been brought to you by the letters R and F, and by the number 8." "One of these things is not like the others, one of these things just isn't the same." "These are the people in your neighborhood, the people that you meet each day."

That's the correct title! The word actually means to campaign and make your speech at a stop to audiences, you know, a "stump speech." Oldies, seriously? That was the late 1990s! What happened to the 50s and 60s being oldies?

Secretariat??????

[OK, that all makes sense when you think about it. First of all, we know that twi cooks its numbers, and has no qualms about using statistics deceptively to inflate their numbers, or draw attention away from the real numbers. Like when they discussed what 20% of a Way Corps group was going to do. There were FIVE grads. ONE grad was 20%. So, one grad was going to do something. But they reported what the percentages were going to do, and not how many grads. When they published a photo of them, the photo included a LOT of the staff with which they worked. The description of the photo did NOT include saying who in the photo was a grad and who was a staff, so we knew when GSCers identified a lot of the staff in the photo. So, let us review how they used numbers deceptively here. Let us remember two things before we start at this. 1) vpw himself was unable to get 1000 wows when he tried, not even for a huge event like the US Bicentennial, even after hyping it like the end of the world. So, we will NOT see 1000 wows, nor 900 wows here and now. 2) The group has had less than 3000 members for some time now, even including all children and retirees, nationally. They have NOT had a membership boom in the last few decades. The membership booms were a product of their times, when vpw was able to co-opt the Christian hippies and divert them from serving God to shilling for twi. So, membership numbers boomed until the low 1980s as a by-product of them, the people they recruited, the people recruited by those people, and so on. When the late 1980s were done, over 80% of the group was gone in two splits. Since then, there have been no more booms, nor could there be. They lost more people in the 1990s with lcm's purges- and some people who slipped away voluntarily in the face of those purges. So, how does a group with significantly less than 3000 people get to claim 3000 people attended, and how does the group with less than 900 wows get to claim commissioning 900 wows? By being deceptive with the numbers. The challenge then remains to see what they manipulated, and how they manipulated it. A leopard can't change its spots, and twi can't stop lying, not to its members, not to outsiders, not to everyone not in the inner cadre, the top of the oligarchy. ] On 8/13/2025 at 11:04 AM, Belle said: NEW KNOXVILLE — The Way International concluded its four-day festival, Rock of Ages ’25, on Saturday evening with music and a fireworks show. The event drew more than 3,000 participants from around the world, according to a release from The Way International, with attendees enjoying amenities such as a petting zoo, a splash pad, food trucks and more. The final tent meeting included the commissioning of more than 900 people to serve as Way Ambassadors for the next nine months, traveling throughout the globe and spreading the message of The Way. For more information, go to theway.org. Link to the article here. It looks like they are now editing whatever press release TWI sends to the paper. I especially like how they most likely changed the wording from "spreading the Word of God" or "sharing information on how to properly interpret the Bible" or some other TWI-speak nonsense. "More than 3,000 people" - were these people pestered over and over until they caved in and used vacation and PTO to appease the gods of TWI? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [(Hi, Belle!) So, they don't have a membership of 3000 or more, that's how many people "participated" (showed up) from "around the world". That means at least one came from another country, and significant numbers weren't fully involved, but just showed up. They claimed more than 900 "Way Ambassadors". They don't ever print a direct lie, they do what vpw did and phrase the truth deceptively, making a craft of "plausible deniability", and leaving things by implication. The truth they say isn't the truth you hear, because they lie by implication and "weasel words." So, how do we account for the numbers? We get lots of non-twi people to show up for the event, and make it sound like 3000 twi people. With enough leaning on people, they could get at least a thousand curious locals to show up for a day for a petting zoo. People leaning on family to come look for a day could account for more numbers. Then simply leave the implication-without an outright lie- that all those people are actual twi people. ] =============================================================== Twinky: 3,000 participants. Does that include, I wonder, all the staff pressganged to work on the event? Limb coordinators, etc (if such still exist), dragged in? Together with spouses and children? I'm almost surprised that there'd be 900 non-staff present. And 900 "ambassadors"? In their dreams! =========================================================== Nathan Jr: They did open this year's festival to the general public. How many of the 3000 were locals, I wonder. =========================================================================== shortfuse: They expanded the scope of the program to included "Local" Way Ambassadors. These folks went to the ROA, participated in training, and went back to the places they already live. They will do a modified version of the program 10 hours a week. "National" Way Ambassadors are more like the idea of Wows/Way D we know. No idea what the split is but suspect the number of "local" Way Ambassadors is the larger group. This most likely accounts for the inflated numbers. ================================================================================== [So, that decodes the inflated numbers. How did a group of less than 2500 get more than 3000 participants? Host a petting zoo, food trucks, and make a local carnival out of the thing, and talk locals to attend for an afternoon- even if only to attend the local carnival. Then count all of those people as "participants." How are they "from around the world"? Old twi trick- at least 1 person is from outside the US. They could even be a staffer from outside the US. Hey, staffers are required to attend, so that's a "participant." If you have 3 from 3 different countries- 1 from Canada, 1 from somewhere in South America (Hi, JR! Still being counted as from another country?), and one from Africa, like, say, the former Zaire, and you can make it sound like hundreds of people came from different countries. Most of the 3000 were never in twi, and never plan to be, but, hey, taco trucks and a petting zoo, and we have nothing better to do this afternoon, so.... When you live out away from significantly sized cities, the arrival of ONE food truck is an event, and two or more is news. (Anyone who's watched "the Great Food Truck Race" could confirm that- any time the race stopped in a small town, the entire town turned out to greet the trucks because that was the event of the season.) How did they get more than 900 "ambassadors" when twi in its heyday couldn't pull that off, with attendance now a sliver of attendance then? Well, redefine "ambassador." They don't have 900 people able to uproot and shill for twi even if they had 900 willing to do it. So, make it so that only a handful of them have to uproot and shill for twi like everyone expects. For, say, the other 888 of them, call them "ambassadors" and make the requirement a few hours a week where they live, and lean on everyone to do it. Eventually, through squeezing the members, and easing the requirements- probably more than once until the numbers rose- you could get that many. So, with enough deceptive massaging of numbers, that's how you get those results, and that's how twi manufactures a story. Frankly, I'm surprised they laid out enough cash to get a petting zoo and food trucks. They must have wanted to seem relevant really, really badly, to have actually given up cold, hard cash to do it.]

This could be common knowledge, but it's trivia nonetheless. In 1999, ESPN began a series titled "SportsCentury: Countdown of the century's 50 Greatest Athletes". Each week, a different athlete's profile was shown, highlighting his career and impact on the sport. Number one on the list was Michael Jordan. Personally, I would agree with that choice. Of the 50 Greatest Athletes selected, there was only one non-human. Who was the athlete who finished higher on the list than Walter Peyton, Sandy Koufax, Julius Erving or Ben Hogan? Hint: It's not Godzilla or the Road Runner.

"Tubthumping", thanks to the oldies channel on the radio.

I think her challenges to those traditional assumptions have merit. I don’t disagree with her. Jesus being white is laughable. I am presently convinced by the textual and manuscript evidence against those anti-women verses being authentically Pauline. Paul was a radical. Later scribes couldn’t handle it, so they added verses, even forged whole epistles, to MAKE Paul fit like a glove on their misogynistic hands.

Jammin' in the basement on a Saturday night...hehe!..

In case anybody's interested, here's the latest Annual Return to the Charities Commission for TWI in the UK. charity-search (sorry, the page cannot be copied & pasted). Look at page 1 under Achievement and Performance. And Vern, Crommett and Lombardi are still trustees (Rivenbark has resigned) together with some puppet local trustee.

We do know that Paul took elements of Greek philosophy and turned them on their heads. I don't know if a lot of churches teach that sort of stuff. I haven't heard it taught. This woman really knows a lot of Bible and challenges so many assumptions and claims, especially about a white Jesus, white male privilege; and the oppression of weaker groups within community, specifically women, LGB communities, lower paid workers and those unable to work, and immigrants. Have a look at some of her other stuff and see what you think.

Interesting bit about Cato. It seems the later scribe who added verses 34 and 35 was familiar with his popular injunction.

Monte Mader | Deconstructed, former Alt-Right Christian Nationalist Here's one of her snippets that popped into my Facebook feed, about 1 Cor 14 (women being silent in the church) - no way for this woman!!! (2) Video | Facebook