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I don't think we're having an actual discussion . . . . I just think this is humorous. Do people make their own Ivermectin or does big pharma make it for them?

Let's not horse around. The vaccine neigh-sayers will do anything to worm their way out of this one.

The vaccine does not grant 100 percent effective immunity. What it DOES do is reduce the risk of developing covid if exposed, just like the chickenpox vaccine, the measles vaccine and the flu vaccine, none of which get anywhere near the amount of pushback. And yes, some people DO get covid even though they are vaccinated. The vaccine reduces the severity of the disease in most cases.. No one is saying it never happens.. and the fact that it DOES happen is not proof the vaccine doesn't work. It works.

Thanks Allan.......you have every right to your position. THIS is what an *open discussion forum* should be.......1) discourse about the subject, 2) each bringing their perspective, opinion and position into view, 3) no personal attacks, 4) no politics, 5) facts, statistics and one's discernment of that analysis, 6) new studies, new data, new treatments, 7) etc. Around the world.....vaccines, mandates and passports are being discussed (and challenged) by nearly everyone, right? This topic affects everyone! We will see the topic headlined for the next decade or two. This is the stuff that fuels civil rights discussions and personal sovereignty. Doctors, nurses, first-responders, police officers, firefighters, employers, employees, schools and universities, parents, children, etc. etc........this discussion is a touchstone for everyone. Thank you GSC for allowing this discussion in open forum while others places, here and around the world, censor the free-flow of information and personal opinion. Thanks to the moderators.

Um, perhaps because this is a forum and after Oldiesman contributed the first post, people started jumping in with their 'justification' as to WHY THEY got vaxxed and why everyone else should as well...if we all kept our 'opinions' to ourselves, well, it wouldn't be much of a forum...would it ? The door of public discourse swings both ways dude.

I got the comfort/nomad argument from Nomads. Living in a van. Give up comfort, you have more freedom to move.

Indeed. That's what I was getting at. The decision makers (after having deposed Rosa-lie) trying to figure out what MIGHT work to rejuvenate the dying sect.