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Here are 3 quotes concerning the past. "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." "Those who don’t know history are destined to repeat it." and "Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it." It may be that the new leaders are aware of a least one of these quotes and say they do not wish to repeat twi's history. However, I'd like to amend the middle quote to say, "Those who don't know history are destined to be duped." This is for all the new people who are getting involved in the "new" twi who have no knowledge of what happened in the old twi. God forbid they should ever be "swept up" by all the "promises" laid out on a green card or by the "love bombing" like so many people were during the 70's and 80's. This should never happen again and if the new twi isn't going to reveal it, then it's just another reason why GSC is so important. "huge pileup of issues" - imo, "going slow and working on the easy topics first" is the last thing they should do. To prevent history from repeating itself, they need to move quickly to reveal past "sexual sins" first before they publicly declare what the word says about adultery and sex before marriage. They can use John Schoenheit's paper on adultery if they are still "unsure" about these matters. "Going slow" implies that they want to rake in as much money as soon as possible before any . "important issues" - who decides what issues are important? Will what caused the traumas, suicides and "messed-up brains experienced by past "members" be at the top of their list of important issues? What would Luke from Acts have done today if he had to deal with what went on in twi? I hardly think he would continue to proudly show a picture of vp along with a glowing review of his life as the "founding father" on his website like twi does. https://www.theway.org/about-us/about-the-founder/ "We are thinking that non-official, non-payrolled TWI "members" will have to do it." Would that happen to include you Mike?

Here's a posible idea: Why doesn't twi add a full and accurate teaching about cults on their website. This would be required viewing followed by an honest discussion involving the twig leader and all twig members, especially for new people before they take the pfal class. If the newer version of twi, a) truly is new and has nothing to hide, b) wants to show it has learned from the past so as not to repeat it, c) and believes cults are dangerous then, it would be a caring and helpful thing to do, in my opinion. The key here would be the words "full, accurate and honest." Having said that, maybe they should let a qualified non-member who specializes in cults do the teaching and facilitate the discussion. .

In other words: More lovebombing plus more whitewashing equals more money, money, money

As former Way Corps I also dealt with people returning to TWI. And listened to them b1tch about the leadership. And protected them from the next layers of overseers. They are accommodating you to fulfill a goal. Part of that goal is to call people back to PFAL. And show increase in their reports. oh they’re not like that. Sorry every evidence of the fruit of their decisions show them to be every bit as self preserving as their predecessors.

And here on this site it is the old guard Corps graduates who actually studied all the ministry material in depth and can call you out when you misquote it or get it wrong. So yes I can certainly see where it would be easier to lump them all together with a label and ignore them. It wasn’t Wierwille’s Folly when I went through it, the man was dead. It was his #1 protege and best student in charge then. The one that he placed a mantle upon publicly and transferred leadership to. Da forehead 4 days. We did the same things they always did except for when there were a few more people around who had a degree from an accredited institute they taught classes. I think you misquoted VP there too. What he said was if it came down to it he would sacrifice the Corps program before he would sacrifice the WOW program. He was not dissatisfied with the Corps it was his baby. He dismissed the zero Corps. Was dissatisfied there. This is not some great in depth spiritual truth. WOW ambassadors are a free proselytizing force. They produce immediate returns. The Corps is a 4 year program that filters people out. Only a small percentage of them over time produce returns and that is mostly holding things together not running thousands of classes for the millions of people in the public wanting to take the class. That doesn’t exist.

Yes the issue is the multi pages of off topic content obscure threads for those interested. And it is interjected everywhere not constrained to one topic. It is accomplishing what TWI wants which is people not to read this site or track on topics and interact in a godly fashion. Quite obviously since our opinions affect TWIs bottom line and expose how they use people to accomplish their aims, they consider all of us to be devil possessed here. As Mike said he thinks we are so used to fellowshipping with the adversary that there is a seed of serpent like wedge in our brains so that we can be possessed at any time. I would conclude that there really is no honest interaction with Mike here and that he should either voluntarily go off with his wineskin folks and kick around PFAL for the next 30 yrs, or we should seek a ban for all the trolling. He will not contribute even any honest details or answer logical questions about the new class. He buries detailed questions and doesn't answer but cherry picks things. And it's starting to stack up. Thoughts? What do you guys think?

They have this in common with the Mormons, the JWs, and every single group I studied in the cult class. However, their isolation from the body of Christ is practical error. Their justification for it is doctrinal error. And instead of really studying the word they redefine the word research as re-search. To limit yourself to VPs plagiarized works and repeat them to yourself over decades.

Oh, I don't feel bad at all. And he's copping out about God speaking audibly in the carnal universe to a carnal, natural, five senses old man who had lost all faith and believing. God can only community with what he his, spirit, except when he's speaking audibly so that your five senses ears can hear him.

Wierwille said it was at that moment. He used the phrase "right away, boomst".

An interesting thing to note about Branham is that he mixed in Gnosticism, the occult, and mysticism in with the Bible to arrive at his viewpoint. Similarities in teachings by VPW are seen in the seed of the serpent area as well as one God apostolic area. Branhams teaching on Gen 3:15 include that the original sin was sexual in nature and that Eve had intercourse with the serpent producing Cain. Also Adam participated. So a 3 way with a snake. VPW didn’t have any 3 ways with snakes. Just roofied young women in a motor coach from reports. Oh and Branham was the 7th angel to the church of Laodaceia. And opened some seals in Revelation. These leaders seem a tad mentally distorted to me.

Do you make this stuff up as you go? As Chock noted...how does one close fellowship with the adversary? How do you know what the adversary knows...so just how does the adversary posess a mans mind and muscles with this detailed information? What biological protections did God build into our DNA against posession? So it sounds like youve hacked our genetic code to undestand how this works? oh wait.....now that ive asked for specifics...dont say it was all figurative...just admit you dont know.