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No? You really kind of are if you demand Raf prove his point....funny how that works. How about any reasonable standard? I have to wonder, as I have inadvertently strung two words together that Freud once used in some esoteric essay and I am somehow working for the wrong side. What standard did you use in evaluating my post to come up with that gem? Just an observation here, but it appears you don't really hold yourself or your random rambling thoughts to any standard. How about it Johniam....did you pay for PFAL.....fork over money to learn to operate the Holy Spirit? How were you and I any different than Simon in Acts? We paid cash to receive the so-called power of God. We did it with tongues, we did it with Interpretation and with prophecy.....and if you are an Advanced class grad as I am, you did with the rest of what VP termed manifestation of the HS. That is just so offensive. To me now and always to God whose gifts are freely given as He wills. Simon was actually refused, so, he went on to start his own special school of magic. Much like VP. It was a scam. If you don't want to listen to the reasoning on this thread....check out the scriptures and some church history. We followed the guy who offered to sell us the magic. The problem may be that you are still so vested in that gnostic flavored gospel you can't really see the difference. It is just a modern day repeat of what happened in the first church. Although, Simon had a much larger following and a greater impact on the church. He was a real pain in their backsides. We took a serious wrong turn.

Sure - thanks. I appreciate the discourse. One area I have seen growth in personally since TWI is the ability to accept different points of view and to realize that the earth and my spiritual life are not going to explode if a person or group around me are not "lock-step likeminded". I view the discourse as healthy.

Every language has a structure. Whether or not the language is recognizable to anyone is really a moot point. To qualify as a legitimate language, what needs to be identifiable is the presence of a structure. One of the main characteristics of glossolalia is that it does not have an identifiable structure. It's random sounds, vowels, consonants strung together without the type of structure that would define it as a language. Therefore, assuming it might be an ancient language or an angelic language or a language from some remote area of the world only serves to obscure the heart of the issue....It's not a "language" at all, by definition.

The part of the brain which is active when we speak a language like English wasn't involved when SIT. If it is a language that we supposedly form and use at our will....wouldn't it be active? Those people sounded like they were stuttering. It didn't sound like language it sounded just like gibberish.. . . some of them were just making noises. The Pastor admitted as much. I thought the study kind of refuted at least VP's take on SIT. Oh and now I remember the explanation for why it may be an unrecognizable language other than the angel thing. It was that it could be any ancient language once spoken anywhere on earth. Anyone else remember that? That is convenient.