Ham

I think a lot of it isn't "renewing the mind" and such, but more from upbringing.. some of us were taught to think better (or worse).. to this day, I carry lessons (mostly good) I learned from my parents.. I really doubt claims of change. At least now.. so many opinions, prejudices were taught in formative years.. and everyone is different.. maybe our differences are forced upon us..

good to see you again.. what I'm trying to figure out.. your use of the genitive. "of douche". Is this the genitive of character, a noun in regimen.. "bags of douche".. a noun (douche) being used as an adjective (with emphasis)? Or is it the genitive of origon and efficient cause, the source of which these "bags" have their origin.. or is it the genitive of possession.. the bags in leadership *positions* which contain douche.. or is it.. genitive of apposition.. "bags" that is to say, or which are, "douche".. or is it the genitive of contents.

What helped me.. I stayed away from offshoot after exiting the way, for about a year or so..

Spiritually.. I just asked a *dumb* question.. and I got an *answer*.. what would you do if you found (well.. practically) everything you thought you believed was.. well.. WRONG? I've seen others undergo the same phenomena.. some come to the conclusion that there is no God. Myself.. I merely refuse to define Him.. one way or another.. I don't think I'm an atheist.. I just don't think I'm intelligent enough to figure it out..

I spent over twenty years in consumer electronics repair.. one might consider it a "worthless cause" because of the slow decline in the repair industry.. more cheap throwaways, more training and knowledge required to repair the *same* kind of stuff (tv's, dvd players, etc) for less than before.. the last *good* year for me in repair was about 1989. It pretty much peaked about that time.. I was good in repairing newer microprocessor based devices.. After a couple of years of decline, I hit the "reset" button.. and went back to school.. I've met corps, who've NEVER "gone back to school".. now my cousin, she "went back to school".. not in a traditional sense, but she did.. but for the most part, the lynn camp, the sowers board, etc. etc.. it's the same.. year after year, after year.. to the extent they have the "heir apparent" living on an alleged $12.00 a week stipend to further their nonsense.. gawd almighty..

I dunno.. it just seems to me.. there are times in life when one just needs to hit the "reset" button.. I've had to do that at least three times, on different levels.. once spiritually, once professionally.. another "relationally".. as bad an "observation" as you may consider it.. I find the "most committed" have the hardest time "moving on".. does this make sense? Or am I sorely mistaken? there are areas of my life, that I've abandoned trying to salvage some meaning from.. don't think I'm depressed or anything.. :)

I dunno. It just seems to me.. isn't the concept itself.. INSANE? that is.. a *way corps* site.. a *family* reunion.. they WERE NOT your "family".. at the drop of a hat, or suggestion of a *mog* you were unfaithful, unworthy, unproductive.. worthless.. you've given your talent and money to for the most part a proven worthless cause.. your *degree* wasn't worth the paper it was printed on.. sorry, those are just a few *objective* observations.. I just don't see how being in an *exclusive* club of this sort bears out any kind of boastable benefit or such.. "yeah.... we were *there*.." Don't get me wrong, I'm not being mean or anything, I just don't get it..

what gender am I.. hmm. maybe.. I'm a squirrel, in a man's body. Or is that a man in a squirrels body.. or is it a woman who thinks she is in a man's body who's in a squirrel's body.. or is it.. now as a squirrel, I suppose I would like nuts. No, not human nuts. Squirrel nuts. Nooooo.. too confusing for me..

I think the key difference between bullies and hired thugs.. the bullies are self-employed.

and if I might add.. they don't, unless.. 1. They are convinced that they will achieve the desired "result" 2. There are no substantial "penalties" for doing so..

What I can't understand is why people still throw money of any denominations his way.. call it a "research project" of sorts.. suggestions or real world data others have gathered would be welcome here.. is it because he "rubbed elbows" with herr "holy greatness" or whatever?

excuse my manners Factfinder. Welcome to Greasespot Cafe. I hope you find what you need, and enjoy your stay.

fired JL? that would be like *** ******* ************** firing ***** ***** I self- moderated the above post. For the pleasure of the viewing audience.. Fire him? he's the "poster child" for ex-way offshoots or whatever, for crying out loud.. Let me add a more "sober" reply.. it would be like killing the goose, who laid the golden egg.. I didn't think he was "fireable" to begin with.. mog and all ya know..

My name is in that little book in the auditorium.. if they haven't burned it during a burn the chaff or uncle(?) harry ceremony or something.. I forget how much it was I gave..

I have words for this.. that I won't say. No.. I better not.. *choke*.. *ahem*.. *Gawd bless them, every one..*

its their "opportunity" (hack.. sowie) .. I mean.. they've missed their little slice of "heaven", haven't they..

No, I won't say you "nya, nya, toldya so.." but doesn't the "exclusiveism" kinda stink now? not that I care.. like I said then, anybody who doesn't want unwashed squirrels in their ranks.. well.. to whatever with them..

excuse me Shellon.. "Shipwrecked, there's one now. No nice memories of sorts.."

unless this is some kind of rhetorical question, maybe you could enlighten me..

welcome to the cafe, shipwrecked.. I hope your stay here is pleasant (at least as is possible).. I'm glad you have fond memories of *mr* and *mrs* moneyhands.. not all here can claim the same..

why do I have more of the feeling they've got him trained like a circus bear.. my impression was he was not capable of responding to anything more than "you're the greatest.. preach da word man.." what I wonder is.. what's he gonna do when the "handlers" are dead..

so somebody finally admits it.. You know he graduated Cumma Sum Laude or something like that.. he should be in GRAD SCHOOL. Apparently the "kooky people" don't exactly have his best interests in mind..

I think it borders on child abuse.. name your kid after a drunken, abusive, thieving, plagiarizing sex fiend.. train him to think gramps was some kind of hero.. tell him "preach da verd, victah.." its really disturbing to me.. gramps left a trail of spiritually damaged women, and men too.. pa and *uncle* mac really knew better.. or I wish they did.. I just asked a few questions.. "what are you doing any bit different".. just running another slip-shod, make it up as you go piece of dang that's gonna damage people the same as they did in the "good old days"? what kind of safeguards have you built into the program.. what kind of accountability do you have, other than to your puffy little self.. are you going to have "lead" and "rodeo school" type activities where people are physically damaged? Have to "renew" their minds to get "healed" or something like that? What recourse does a participant have, if someone "in charge" makes untoward advances, innapropriate comments, abusive behavior? Just send them off in the night? That is the way, it was.. we wanna go back to "the good old days".. you might want to rethink that a few times.. I'm not throwing you into that camp. That is a piece of information you might need.. right out of the starting gate.. "he's a great manogawd".. Humble? Maybe as long as you agree with him.. I dunno.. Does he KNOW *his* people are calling him a Man of God? Does he approve? Disapprove? more questions..

Humble.. a "great man of god"? that's the FIRST description one of the "followers" attribute to him.. where did he get that from? v2p2 has no CLUE of what happened in the old ministry.. gramps is a HERO to him. Stolen works are his heritage.. I really feel sorry for the kid. where did he get THOSE ideas? That the corps program was a *great* success.. that the ministry was like a theme park, before the *bad* people took it over.. unbelievable..

over all, I've been pretty calm about it all.. I'd just like a few answers. Of course, the questions just continue to pile up..