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I've seen people narcotized by sufficient brow beating with a bible.. sadly, der vey is not unique in this.

That may be true.. but. is an unwarranted conclusion. I think some tolerated it, put up with it, endured it, perhaps thought there wasn't anything better .. but really believed it? Can't simply say that for everybody. Some were coerced.

And if I may but add: Real men don't look like this.

See? Nothing to be afraid of. Big words come easy..

Not for the faint of heart: What happened when twi ran out of sand..

Did you look at his churches website? Certainly more than chasing twi to the ends of the earth..I saw a few nice honest articles.. "I'm dating a wayfer, what do I do.." http://www.abouttheway.org/ This sounds pretty accurate, compared to what I personally witnessed. Pretty calm wording.. doesn't sound like he's frothing at the mouth or anything.. People in twi DO think differently than "normal" people. I should know.. I was in it, and I'm hardly "normal" But I think he makes a valid point. I think he's done a pretty good job climbing inside the shoes of someone in the organization. I would agree based on my first hand experience, and that of others. Nothing "reactionary" here.. not that I detect. Just that, you wanna marry a wayfer, you're GOING to go to "church", and in twi's case, as a church, it "sucks". The real sad thing, is I remember the vey's habit of thought too.. I'd be terrified to even read something like this.

I don't know if you read that right T-bone. It's colon ization. I was merely suggesting that they were putting their head somewhere else.

I don't know about ostrichization. I thought they've been practicing colonization, for years. I know, I'm bad..

I think it's like in the old days, when alchemists wanted to learn to secret to turn lead and other "junk metal" into gold.. as far as acquiring wealth is concerned, it would be self-defeating.

I dunno.. I think it is really easy to attribute success to some kind of mystical power source, when one is wallowing in the land of oportunity, so to speak. The reality of it is that everybody in the world can't have everything or anything that they want. Let's all just go to the moon. It sounds like the promise of pfal however. Whatever your greedy little heart wants, we've got a way for you to get it. I think if a person were to invoke this kind of "power", there are a few payments to be made. I wouldn't ask for something I couldn't afford.. As far as my personal life is concerned, I really don't want or need any kind of shortcut. I choose to build one brick at a time.. :)

Or go home at night to "Miss Michigan"..

One question.. maybe it is too personal. If so, answer to yourself. I am not expecting an answer. But.. are you or have you ever been married? If so, was this how you managed the relationship? "woman, shut the **** up" was how one limb guy in the seventies ran his marriage.. I saw it first hand. And this was one of the guys trained by the vicster. I would rather take the route that would make me out as a coward.. honestly. To quote one of my old limb coordinators before he was labeled "weak and possessed".. "I'd RATHER err on the side of being too loving and gentle". he sure didn't last long in der ministry. His marriage is still intact and loving, the last I knew of him though.

Says a lot about his character. In public, he put Dotsie on a pedestal.. everything was probably ok as long as she stayed there. I've seen how the "men" he directly "trained" treated their wives.

He learned from his "father" quite well..

In a sense.. I feel like some of them "did", some of us "died".. :)

Honestly.. "degrading women".. was done behind my back so to speak. I remember some things.. too damn personal, and involves others.. better not say. All I'll say is, some of us guys had no idea what kind of pressure was put on the women, or wives, to not bring supposed shame or disappointment.. It was another stupid illusion.

Yeah. But the only thing I can't understand, is why.

Interesting.. "PFAL piracy" is the first page on a Google search for "Chris Geer".. then pages upon pages about the pop lunacy. NO webpage.. no information.. maybe he really did move into an abandoned missle silo.. I didn't know they had them in Maine.. gotta be a pretty miserable existence, having to isolate oneself from the world and all..

I liked the one about the morning the squirrel came home after a night on the town..

Where should this go.. don't worry. I can go almost anywhere.. I think these are some of the more "intellectual" appearing quotes of vp.. sounds so slick, "we" or at leat "I" took it for granted that it was absolute truth.. This is almost a direct quote of Bullinger in How to enjoy the Bible. In the class it is practically an exact quote, about having courage to go to the fountain head of truth. I dunno. I've met some fundamental Jewish people who are pretty darn peaceful..

yep.. read a verse, and then have illustrations from Shakespear, go around the world.. and a person comes up with this. :) In the context, Jesus wasn't calling them "religious".. he called them hypocrites. Off busy washing pans, robbing people's parents.. Sounds like twi of today. religion was the opposite in James.

What legitimate church would hire him, even as a janitor? Ole "doc" vic claimed that it is possible to believe to the extent that "der adversary" could NEVER pull up anything from your past.. apparently it didn't work for geer..

This was another person's experience, or perception of his experience there. Cameras all over the place? I can only offer a theory. To BE God, you have to be LIKE God. Everywhere present, ya know.. and the only reply these mog types give, that I personally have ever heard, to these kind of reports: "These people are POSSESSED. If you even listen to them, YOU WiLL BE TOO". Yep, I've been to those kind of meetings.. The way I feel about it.. if a person managed to have a good experience or outcome, they were plain "lucky"..

I dunno.. Is this the same Chris Geer? I know it is old stuff.. but here is the link: http://www.whyaretheydead.net/misc/Factnet/CO0590AC.TXT There are quite a few more reports on that website.. I wonder what the "revelations" of pop did on the scotland side of things.. it appears that st. chris was elevated to the status of godhood.. or moghood. People isolated, given a feeling of superiority over the world.. told that devils await them outside of his "household".. berated, reduced to sobbing in corners of the place.. what's with that? This doesn't sound a whole heck of a lot different than what loy did to the "faithful" in the U.S. I would say that "mr" geer indeed has brought a whole lot of "baggage" into his "ministry"..

Maybe the night shift matched his zombie type personality, not that it necesarily caused it.. 1. Unapproachable at day.. 2. Socially unaccceptable, OLD married man, chases blondes, in broad daylight.. Maybe the "night shift" was the best thing for all parties. Just let him wear himself out prantzing about the woods and corn fields at night.. All they'd have to do is put up a sign, "beware of der Linder"..