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Could it have been Joe Fair?

Even in the good old days.. A lady came to the limb guy.. hand picked by the vicster himself.. she needed some advice. "This guy is REALLY REALLY icky. Won't keep his hands off me in twig" mr. "icky" had some money.. "Haven't we talked about this BEFORE? Do we have to go over all of this AGAIN? WHY DON'T YOU JUST GET LAID AND LOOSEN UP???!!!" I really wasn't trying to listen.. this was through two solid doors it was so loud. Counsel? You have got to be kidding.. I would call them counsellors from hell..

My last "counselling" session with these vey hacks was not by my request. "We KNOW that something is wrong with you. If I were you, I'd spill my guts.." Hmmm. Forgot to brush my teeth? Wore a shirt with a "devilish" pattern on it to "fellowship"? Friggin meddlers.. they were trying to MANUFACTURE problems. "Problems" that they could solve with the wave of the magic wand. They were searching under every rock they could to find some point that they could at least appear to their superiors to be "prevailing". If I made up a bunch of crap, fell to my knees, said with tears in my eyes "you're right. I hear voices, I'm a homo, I'm a Democrat, I belong to PETA.." they would find a miraculous "cure", and I'd be in der ministry today. In the real world, I think it is at least slightly unethical to corner somebody, and try to force one's "services" upon them. Last group that offered any kind of "counselling".. within the last FEW years.. one of the teachings practically implied that if you were a Liberal, if you wouldn't turn "homo", at the least you were "compromised".. as a BIBLE teaching.. no joke. "we'll counsel you.." deliverance? what are they gonna do? Cast the Liberal "spirit" out? Let the "spirits" out with a dull bone knife? Gotta be kidding.. Oh. I HAVE gone to a "real world" counsellor since.. and the difference is like night and day..

The problem is that these guys had to break a whole heck of a lot of yokes before they got it right. If indeed they really do have it "right" at the present. What I learned through twi, was distrust of any kind of counsellors, period. I saw the meanness engendered between husband and wife, and usually they came out of "counselling" worse than they entered, especially if they did what the "counsellor" suggested. One ordained female clergy laid into this guy for ... and when he refused to do what she suggested, she SCREAMED the one size fixes them all accusation- "you're not listening to me because you are POSSESSED". A YEAR and a HALF later, she kinda of admitted that she just MIGHT be wrong.. and she was leading these people in the way of divorce. This kind of counselling was typical. I didn't want their counsel. I rather would live with my problems.. no details here, but in my life it had a few consequences. Still, things could have been even worse if I sought them out for their great "wisdom". I'd be in a nut house..

Another reason I come.. 5,000 posts! Kinda like climbing Mt. Everest, just cause it's there..

Yep.. they CAN'T. Can only jump through hoops for so long before you wear out your "jumper".. Too bad though. Those leaving, or planning to leave, may not have sufficient time to jump through the "world's" hoops to acquire any substantial wealth, or decent retirement. Too bad also.. some of them have learned their "craft" quite well under rosie and donnie's "tutelage". Why work, just start another cult..

Blood Sweat and Tears. The original, with Al Kooper. The first song, "overture" is just amazing..

This is probably what rosie (not to mention her sidekick) use. The best toilet paper in the world Only in their case, the paper is not working.. doggone link won't work. I see the board censors the name of the link. www.s*itbegone.com You'll have to replace the * with an h.

I still think at best a person can only be prepared. One of my friend's ambitions here is simply to have enough resources set aside to pay for their final internment. I don't know if a person can be ready, exactly. You'd be bartering with the man in black at the last minute.. "hey, hey.. just five more minutes, I haven't finished with my LIST yet.."

One reason I like to come back to this place: I can explore a few new ideas with others. Well, new ideas to me, without getting clubbed with der verd or something like that.

If you want some respect from other drivers, put one of those socker ball emblems in the rear window. Anybody in their right mind KNOWS that such a person MUST be at fifteen places at the same time, and that their demeanor is not entirely "happy". They won't dare cut you off, or even honk because of a minor infraction.. Not even for a major infraction..

My literature professor knew the difference between the three. If I remember correctly, vic used an illustration for those figures that he lifted from Bullinger..

Rascal, I like your style of writing, don't change a thing. :) I think it's a low blow, "well, what you say isn't right. besides, you didn't use Emily Post grammar.." as if that makes a difference..

Well, there are a LOT of "nuts" here.. maybe that's really why I keep coming back..

I remember a little video made in the early seventies.. forget what it was called.. but it was the nightly news, if der vey as then had their say in it. One little kid was being interviewed as being the head of international children's outreach.. and he was mimicing the vicster's mannerisms.. in the end, he rides off into the sunset in a golf cart.. it was funny then. But now I find it at least a little troubling.. Were we raising kids to be little mogs and moglettes? I think so. Same damn unrealistic expectations that we put on ourselves, we put on kids, even back in the "good old days".. sheesh.

I think the worst wars here involve mog/moglette types, expecting some kind of respect. But if you don't expect respect and adulation, you at least won't be disappointed. I believe this little venue gives people the chance to do what they should have done, and could only do in their dreams in der ministry.. bite back. Look what happened to John Lynn.. put his name and "ministry" up in the spotlight. I'll bet he doesn't know what REALLY happened here, to this day.

I would say probably because vp told us so.. but "obviously(?)" it was a beast of sorts that was known to Job. If no animal can be found today which matches the description.. is it possible that it is extinct?

You keep a good stock of matches, because not only do you love, honor and obey the little lady, your wedding vows in church also have a clause that you will provide her with all the furs she ever would want..

The poor people of Southhampton probably would have preferred them to organize a Saturday night sock wash..

I think parents play a pretty big role in the development of a person's grammar. If they merely speak proper grammar, and use proper grammer when interacting with said person, by the time they are six or so proper language skills will be wired in. The real solution isn't to correct anyone.. just shoot people who cannot speak ordinary proper english, and end the cycle..

hmm. Maybe at one time they used a soft toilet paper like "Charmin". and just maybe, just maybe.. in rosie's young impressionable years (yah, it's hard to believe, but she WAS somebody's baby, at least briefly), she thought "don't squeeze the Charmin" was the eleventh commandment brought down from Sinai. So, unconsciously, she has a strong aversion to decent tp, simply because in her inner self, she THINKS that if they present something that resembles sandpaper to their followers, they will not be presented with the temptation to squeeze the said "toilet paper". They micromanage the "followers" lives to the extent that I would not be suprised if the ladies were forced to undergo a search of purses for contraband, REAL toilet paper. And bricks.

Personally, I still think vp went the way of Crowley. Interesting though.. how vp loved his liberty, on one hand.. and started demanding performance and strict adherance from those he taught, on the other.. I wouldn't call this liberty. We were in chains.

The answer I'm looking for.. I think it is related.. I've met those who fear connecting to others.. in a real, genuine way..more than the fear of dying.. and sometimes I can't figure why. Why some cannot accept unconditional love.. I think it is somehow related to this individuality we have.. but I only have a few theories.. :)

I dunno.. I think death is only the end of a cycle of sorts here. Perhaps the real question here is not are you ready, or are you afraid.. what awaits, on the other side.. this is so terrifying to some, that some tribes of man refuse to even discuss it. "some of us" here remember or at least think we remember what it was like to come into this existence.. :) I think our entrance to existence was more like death than life.. jumping into a whirlpool, not knowing exactly what waited for us at the bottom.. can you imagine.. what it would be like, to be at one with everything.. yet we chose to leave this for a half a second of individuality on this plane of existence.. I wonder what the attraction was. I think we made a few agreements, more than a few bargains for it. Even to experience the worst of times here.. but the exit will not be so much different. I like the apostle Paul's analysis.. we came into this world with NOTHING.. we will leave the same way. But I think we will take something.. otherwise the experience would mean nothing.

"a real job.." when you graduate.. I know how you feel. I'm trying to figure out who is going to hire a fifty some year old mathematician..