Ham

Did I swalllow it? Yes, for the most part. There were a few "discrepencies" with what I knew about science, but I put those on the back burner for a few years.

I thought sand was scratch in the catbox of life..

Yep.. no accountability. If you get the "results", whoopee. Praise the program.. If your brain gets turned into swiss cheese, well, you were immature. Praise the program..

and as to the "hold harmless" agreement: If I were bungee jumping, or sky diving.. or mountain climbing.. (of the which I don't plan to do :) ) I can understand the need for a hold-harmless agreement. Makes perfect sense.. if you plan on doing an extremely hazardous activity, you're on your own. But a "christian self-improvement seminar"? What is it, bungee jumping for the Lord?

True, when the shoe fits on the other foot, hyperbole, or exageration, from those who offer these "seminars". "spiritually grow twenty years in three.." "break through your inner turmoil and barriers in three short days.." Most people have barriers, and for GOOD REASON. Generally speaking, a PSYCHIATRIST, and a good one at that, can't "fix" you in two or three days.. or a psychologist.. or a medical doctor. there are no magic pills. Some people may get a good feeling out of it.. there is always the placebo effect. I think fast results are like fast weight loss.. it's not good, and the problem usually comes back.

Good words. I would only add, "see what it did to your neighbor, first", and "don't be gullible". and "if they demand that you sign a hold harmless agreement, run like h*ll".

From Groucho: Yep.. too much. So much fear.. I think he's afraid, afraid to lose. These mog types are addicted, to WINNING. Addicted to being "right", the rest of the world "wrong".. pitiful.

Yeah.. that is the point here I think.. This WAS a public statement, was it not?so was this one: If think he's out of his mind putting these things on a PUBLIC BOARD, considering he KNOWS people come here to debate. Then he refuses to debate. Will he come back? Oh no. He'll leave the debate and argument to his "followers" to defend his "honor". And he calls US cowardly and unloving. Right.. Yeah, I know he did not DIRECTLY post this, but to give it to someone, saying somehow these things "just happen" to end up on the internet- May as well as have done it himself. won't post it, lets someone else do it.. so pitiful. Yep. Just sends an opened message, in the hands of a messenger (don't get me wrong, I don't have anything against the messenger :) ) But I take it as an insult.

The one in 89 was really neat. It was a complete eclipse, if I remember correctly. I'll have to put the october one on the calender..

I think that is part of the concept that 95 percent of all men's ills are psychosomatic.. That does tend to fill some groups coffers who offer a more "honorable" solution to depression. Other words, without the stigma of "conventional" (in reality the proper) treatment.

"Blessed" "a marginally happy state of being, resultant from getting one's favorite parking spot, or other similar triviality. Often, 'blessed' entails what one does NOT recieve, 'I gave 20 percent of my paycheck, therefore I will not be a greasespot by midnight'"

They have evidence that primitive people performed brain surgery with bone knifves too. There is some evidence that the patients lived for that matter.. nobody knows how well, or whether they still had all of their "marbles". Somehow, the idea of letting some brute with a loud voice and a bone knife work on my brain to expose my most secret faults does not sound very appealing. No wonder they want a hold harmless paper signed. A psychologist does not need a hold harmless agreement. People who study psychology know we are still in the dark ages of understanding, as far as human thought and behavior is concerned. The momentus guys apparently think they know better. Yep.. go boldly where angels fear to tread.. rip some "crap" out of somebody's head. I'd rather keep the "crap". I'd as soon have the witchdoctor work me over with a bone knife, as trust these characters. It is too convenient to blame the consequences of the "treatment" on the victim (patient). It is still malpractice.

"Believing" "the spiritual equivalent of putting a half-nelson on the lord, until you force him to give you your favorite parking spot."

"The Rock of Ages" "A three day festival, of sex, drugs, and rock and roll.." whoops, wrong dictionary..

1989.. my, how time flies.. it was almost like yesterday. Funny how I can remember seeing that, but I couldn't tell you what the evening teaching was, for the life of me.. oh, call me Ham.

I think they slowly added "mystery meat" into the blend as the week went on.

we got a couple of inches of lake effect snow last night. "cute" white fluffy stuff blowing about.. I wonder if the lakes will freeze to the bottom this year..

"Discerning of spirits" "See snow on the gas pumps".

I can't remember.. was it 1996, or 1997?, There was a complete lunar eclipse. I remember watching the moon that night, there were only three of us standing there watching knowing what was going on.

maybe they oughta open a new store, "spiders 'r' us" " All you wanted to ask about spiders, but were afraid (or better informed) to ask..'

"Fear" "a rational response to run like h*ll from real and perceived danger, modified by assurances that things are really not as they logically seem to be"

Personally, I think the "crap" that people think they have on the inside is really great beauty. Don't get me wrong, I know people can be twisted, etc.. But I think a lot of this kind of "training" does little more than confuse someone that their uniqueness and individuality is some kind of evil, to be stamped out with 18 pound bible. If somebody has REAL issues, they don't need momentus, they need a psychiatrist. My opinion at least.

"visible AND unvisible snow in Tulsa" "see 'snow on the gas pumps'"

"Snow on the gas pumps" "a mystical experience, usually attained by ingesting copius amounts of LSD, and/or subjecting oneself to long periods of meditation and fasting"

Probably about the same time some poster here related that they heard vic say, "I think I've made a mistake..."