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Nah, can't be. Satori does not have fleas..

A visit from an OSHA representative would be interesting, likewise. From what I understand, all they need is ONE phone call from a distraught "member" or "non-menber" for that matter. Since TWI is an employer, they MUST comply and allow said inspection. The employee does not even have to leave a name on the answering machine. Unless there has been significant changes in that place during the last 7 years, there is a readily apparent lack of any kind of handicap entrances and the such. Could be a pretty big mess.

But you have to admit, they are slowly extracting themselves from the web of deceit. Why, just last year they finally figured out that sleeping with various pets and farm animals was not all it was cracked up to be. I could almost hear all of the wailing from followers, forced to abandon a one time honored practice.. Well, they ought to get used to it. Takes a LOT of sacrifice to be a disciple of da vey..

Plus, the "workers" have a vote to bring in the union. And it is supposed to be confidential. Wouldn't that drive Rosie and gang nuts? They would have no way of knowing who voted in which manner..

Interesting. Seems that the major objection to one attempt was that the professors were too involved in a managerial position. You could hardly say that for staffers in TWI. Seems there are only five real managerial positions in that whole outfit. But it would be fun to watch. All the staffers would have to do would be to go to UAW or something, I would imagine. No lawyer fees, no nonsense.. and I bet the union would LOVE to work the SOB management over, just for the fun of it. Can you imagine their response? "Well, they are our slaves, biblically speaking. We have the right to do with them as we see fit..." Things would get straightened out, one way or another.

Maybe the staffers could clean it up another way.. The Vey's second greatest fear, UNION. The Vey would have to do some REAL creative legal wrangling to try to "fix" that.. can't just fire them for asking for union representation. At least legally..

Nope. I think we were instructed (coerced to believe) that something like that would just not be the loving thing to do, to say the least. Seems they hated the government. Any kind of governmental involvement- that it was downright evil or something. The poor staffers probably could really put the screws to them, if they had a mind to.

I still say he was on something stronger than Drambuie.

That's an understatement, Belle. The "lost" thread comprised of Satori in his finest hour.. Its around here somewhere.. maybe JL has a copy of it he can share with us. Oh, welcome back! Hope you enjoyed yourself.

OK.. a little more specific. "If I left the ministry, I would be better off dead" was spoken during an "inspirational" weekly teaching. And the crowd just sat there and agreed.. ptooie. Another specific: "If you leave, you will go back to what you came from like a dog returning to its vomit"- it may be debatable whether said person would return to a worse condition- but that's not the point here. Exact quote. I think it was a fairly common belief that before involvement with Der Vey, our lives were going to hell in a handbasket. Even if the reality of the situation was very different.

Actually they did not have any real specifics, or a revelation coming from their pipeline to hell, as to what "da master" (theirs) had in store for me. But they sure did for others. And usually it was an afterthought. "See? That's why they got so sick, they forsook da truth, and Satan had at them coming and going". Case in point: Loy's vile defamation of two loyal followers: Unbelievable Stupidity Can't leave good ole "Mrs" Loy out of this either. She castigated the Po**ings for the death of their daughter. The point? For me, the fear of da debil was left as bland and as generic as possible, but assurances that SOMETHING would happen if I turned the wrong way on the path was made and implied in some pretty certain terms.

I feel the same way about what was said about other folks that were really, really nice- at least when I knew them. But some of the nicest people were mutated into monsters.

I dunno. I saw some guys riding that thing down W. Road like it was some kind of amusement ride or something. Yep.. once things became "mandatory" it lost a lot of appeal. Overall, I have some good memories, but it really was over-priced camping. I remember one year, I think 93, there was a complete lunar eclipse. Only myself and another couple other guys that I could see stood around watching it- yet it was more interesting than the prior evening teaching.

Car*l*n Mo*ica was also ordained.. don't remember which corps she was from though. Well, Tick was a german shorthair, not a german shepherd. Might be tough to make the accusation stick. But considering what was going on in that joint, I guess that almost anything could go..

I wonder if their eyes glow in the dark, like in one of those old horror films, I think it was called "Satans Lot" or something like that.. But it is obvious that they have some kind of power over people. How else can they get a group of otherwise kind, intelligent folks to circle their wagons around a really oppressive bottom line, doctrinally speaking. And to get otherwise kind, intelligent folks to ignore the "indiscretions" of the past prez, along with the reputation and conduct of those in charge now. They have to be friggin blind. I was at one time too. Just couldn't even think they could do any wrong. I think the bastards know full well what kind of manipulation and deceit they are embracing. The Way Ministry sleeps with Satan? Well, if the shoe fits, perhaps they should wear it.

Oh well, fun while it lasted. Such a thread makes such great fodder for an over-active imagination.

OK, "Mr." Lin**r, since we know that we have your attention from the developments from the deleted thread, please pass Belle's REASONABLE request along to "Mr." Moneyhands.

But how often we (at least I did..) INSISTED on having one, for our very own..

Well, I met quite a few that actually did take that position. But it cost them. Either quit, or forced out, or thrown out, or etc. etc.. I think it would have cost them a heck of a lot more to stay in.

Yep. And then I figure they've got to do what they've got to do. Probably a lot of what they do is written in a standard operating procedure somewhere too. Just personally, I think a little more stealth would go a long way. But who knows- maybe the criminals would cry foul because the cops wouldn't be playing fair..

Maybe not crack.. more likely El Esss Deee.

You would, Mr. 123, but I would agree too..

Well, they have radios and hellicopters in most jursidictions. It would seem that there could be a better way to apprehend somebody than a public display of brute force. With the kind of technology at their disposal, the solution has to be better than chasing somebody through a crowded downtown during rush hour, because of an expired license plate.. But I guess they have to do what they have to do. Seems there are always better options though. I have seen cars equipped with a little device, that if you do not enter the proper code, it travels only about a half a mile and then it pretends to break down. If you are stealing a car, and it breaks down, what are you going to do- get out and push it? That would at least take care of a lot of car theft it it was widely implemented.. There are dozens of these kind of ideas.

As if the poor stooge has any other choice but to exist on peanut butter, Ramen noodles, and water for dessert. Oh, and the occasional crumb or two from the BOD's table..

Ala, Oenphile and others, thanks for the kind words. As far as moving on, I think I have done that, and despite what some think, many others here have too. But I just can't forget some of that stuff.. and its still relevant. It does not hurt like it used to. But it seems year by year I get more adamant about how wrong it really was. I can't imagine what kind of burden it would be, to have to deal with having abused hundreds or even thousands of folks. Must be miserable, if they ever come back to having any kind of conscience. That is a very good point exie. And nobody has any business relegating any part of it to the category of insignificance.