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Yep. Who knows.. maybe he's just sitting there wringing his hands, trying to figure out if it is all too late.. if its the right thing to do.. But its not too late. The guy is still alive. But in all fairness, maybe "Mr" Moneyhands is just too busy- Probably been reaming some guy a couple of new ones for putting five pieces of ice in his water instead of four. Pretty important you know, that's gotta at least take a couple of weeks.

So "Mr." Moneyhands, it has been almost THREE WEEKS since Belle posted this simple request. Done anything yet? Or just leave the guy in the dumper YOU put him in? What about your precious doctrine, don't let anything slide for even 24 hours? And its been another three weeks. Oh well. No compassion, no love- another debt not paid.

Belle, I'll group several comments here. Hope its not too long.. And who is he (or they) to dictate whether certain material things are "involved" in MY life? How soon they have forgotten this "debt". How about Mrs. Wierwille, and many, many others? Oh yes. THEY define to whom or what THEY owe. Pretty convenient.. Lessee.. telling an elderly lady if she didn't like how they treated her relatives, that she could just leave her home and go live with the "cop outs". They have a debt in regard to respect that they will NEVER be able to repay. Never. I note no promises held out in all of this- just another stupid "it is available". It is "available" to go to the moon, too. Where in the world did they get that? I used to think this too, because it sounded so straight-forward and religious. What if you have no physical things? This concept would imply that you also would be given no spiritual things to take care of. I have known people that have taken care of substantial riches, and spiritually, they are so spiritually discerning that God couldn't get through to them if he used a baseball bat. Maybe more later..

Awww, thanks Belle. :o-->

Yep. Now if they would just take it to the next level. Imagine the hundreds of hundreds, fifties and twenties that I tossed to that stinkhole. Imagine all of the spurts they could REALLY get rid of it they tallied it all and sent it back to me..

The really really strange thing near the end of my involvement- even some people's money was not even welcome at der vey. They would send it back. I guess their "god" was so helpless that he couldn't protect them from all those spurts flowing into headquarters on the back of tainted twenties, fifties and hundreds..

Actually I feel better about it now.. Thing I am suprised is my marriage lasted as long as it did without real help. As far as communication was concerned, I really tried- I think I just did not know how. So much for a "how to do it" organization..

I wish we got that kind of thing in da "ministry" instead of all the religious hogwash..

Hey, I probably missed at least a half a dozen or so..

And well it does work, when it does. "You are right. Yes, I am dense as a brick at times, I know I need help, but I am trying. I really do care, so please just tell me.." If I tell you, you won't get mad? Not in a million years. "You left the toilet seat up". At times you have to resist the temptation to laugh, sometimes little things are indeed a big deal for the other party. I guess you can't assume anything about anybody. In your opinion, they should KNOW you care- especially after receiving such day in and day out, but sometimes they don't. True, sometimes the other party is plain unhappy and doesn't really know why. That kind of thing is a little more difficult to work out. Sometimes you can never draw it out.

Yep. Going to the principal's office.. "now you're gonna get it" heh heh. Sometimes, once the woman has undivided attention, "You really oughta know what you did to hurt me". "Well, what did I do?" "You don't KNOW???!!!" Nope. Tell me. "Well. You did, well. I can't believe you don't know what you did". I'll admit I am dense. I am a guy after all. But I try..

Before anybody gets mad, let me say I agree that sometimes a lot more time than that is needed to communicate about a more serious issue.. or for just meaningful day to day dialogue.

Yep. "We have something we REALLY need to talk about..." To me, that kind of prelude said "brace yourself for a big one..." Doesn't do much good, at least for me. Already have my undivided attention with the first word out of the mouth. Too much fanfare- just TALKING about it seems more effective.. just get to the point! "Honey, I would feel a heck of a lot better if you put the toilet seat down.." "No problem, glad you told me about it". Usually it could be that simple. I think a lot of times the women think they have to use extraordinary methods to get the man's attention. 99 times out of a hundred, they already have it.

I have had my share of nosy, nasty, controlling, hitler-types, and they were the majority. But I can't say they were all bad. My cousin and her husband went through it, and turned out to be a couple of terrific folks, who love God and God's people to this day.

I'd like to see a REAL scholar get a hold of this thing..

Well, one thing.. in all this, Der Vey has affirmed their rights to run- a cemetary.

One more thing.. I think this assumes far too much, he does not speak for me. What I observed was men to turn from callings and gifts to fear and manipulation. They still think they know how to sell the product. They just don't have the product anymore. Even preaching from the same bible.

I partly agree, but I don't think he inspires them in a godly manner. I have heard some "sermons" that should have shaken the world to its foundations, at least for me. But I found myself sitting back wondering how somewhere I was "missing it". Perhaps that is why loy and crowd had to scream at the top of their lungs. What they said no longer had any valid effect. Maybe the "gift" was still there, but no power, no love. No "sound mind" either.

Case in point. MAYBE he had a ministry, MAYBE he did some good for some at one time, BUT- Where were the miracles validating VP's "ministry"? And yes, he claimed to have a healing ministry, or "gift" if you will. But I NEVER saw one. Not once. I heard a lot of claims though. And this self-appointed spokesman for the lord claimed he had knowledge like it had not been known since the first century. Ptooie. Just another scam, at least at one point. Behavior seems to validate or invalidate any calling.

I wonder if God feels like "tossing His cookies" when He hears people like that speaking his word.. it does that to me. Seems more often than not, people in that category are operating a scam, not a "gift". May look religious, bring tears to some folks eyes, but so can cutting an onion.

Well, perfect solution it may be.. but still not "qualified" in my opinion. Mr. low forehead would require constant supervision. "Now Loy, it is time to use the funny looking little brush.."

Unbelievable. One hundred and fifteen pages. Like to see them do one like that on adultery..

Happy Birthday!

But as to the question why they keep her there- Is she really THAT good at housekeeping? The idea that they don't have anybody better qualified for the job is kind of scary. Kind of like putting a janitor in charge as CEO or something.. must make sense to somebody. OH, I forgot. In Vey World nothing has to make sense.

I don't think so.. I think she smells just like what she fell in. But for the followers, I can just imagine.. "Hey, doesn't that smell like ****??" "No, it smells like a floral shop. Any other questions?"