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Yep. In the middle of a cornfield somewhere in rural Ohio. Center of the universe, you know.. Oooh, oooh, I'm scared.. Maybe THAT'S why the pope is getting an aircraft carrier, to work us over with a new inquisition or something..

Well, I guess there is nothing quite like having the strength of Atlas, the wisdom of Solomon, being stuck in a cornfield in Ohio somewhere.. It's a nasty job, but someone has to do it, I guess. Its just AMAZING that all those fiery darts somehow get forwarded by the US postal service to New Knoxville Ohio, just so WE don't have to deal with them. Really? I guess that makes Thomas Jefferson, and most of the founding fathers pretty miserable characters, spiritually speaking. Most of them died broke. That the Almighty God can't get to you with a sledgehammer because you have taken out some kind of loan is well, ludicrous. God forbid that we should give a da*n about giving our offspring a nice clean place to live- or that we should place the value of women above that of cattle- ptooie. And you know the greatest sin of all.. questioning, or not trusting your leadership, implicitly. Or reading this stuff on the internet. Or.... Gads. Sure let letcher loy off the hook. This is perhaps one of the worst.. don't you dare question why this crap is producing NO RESULTS. You'll be labelled worse than loy.

Thanks Belle! Nice thread. I actually threw out anything attributed to loy.. now I wonder if I should have kept it. The only thing I kept was the old "seed" sylabus- don't know why.

What in the he*& does THAT mean? Yep, I just sat there with all the rest and thought, "well, this sure sounds nice.." I found out what that meant. The bastards stuck their noses in every stinking category of believer's lives they could imagine, demanding trust, support and implicit obedience. Ptooie. Questionable. Live with your little personality quirks, maybe. Problems, no- at least in my opinion. I think the whole point though, was somehow, the mighty loy was miraculously able to do better. And at far less cost. What more would you want? And here is the grand daddy of them all- at least in my opinion.. You've got to be kidding. All I heard was a LOT of talk. A lot of boasting- "I can take them ALL on, I'm king of da world!" The whole reality of the matter though, not one stinking "seed boy" took time off from his busy schedule to invade their little corn field to take him up on his offer. "we DO take them on"- name just ONE. "Well, we badmouthed the Pope, Mother Theresa and John Lennon".. ha ha ha ha ha..

Good grief- and he was the one that should have known better. After a while, he was looking for ANYTHING from "his" people, anything "new" or flashy- cripe, a lot of the stuff was unresearched supposition. Sounds nice, but I partly disagree, now. Well, it could be right, if ole Loy's old man habits included threatening, rape of employees and enjoying three-ways every other week.. and using mark and avoid tactics to cover up just about every sin known to man. They sure took care of that little "problem". Kind of like burning your whole crop for a year out of fear of the mice getting into it. In other words, "shortly, we will be raising the minimum requirements, and you'd better get on track, with IMMEDIATE obedience, or God have mercy on you..". Arrrgh..

Yep. Sheer misery.. sometimes, I think the whole point of it all really WAS to bring the ministry down. They certainly were successful in running off tens of thousands of dedicated followers. And Rosies little pinky is well, fatter than the size of Loy's loins.. But just when the staff gets a little comfortable in their misery, they've gotta come up with new mandates, new hoops to jump through, new requirements. And they apparently have not moderated any of the insanity- from the best I can tell. But it just keeps going on and on- one more little sacrifice, just one more little duty to perform. They've got those poor devils trying to bear up the weight of the whole world, then some. At least one of them left with far less than one stomach. Wouldn't it be nice to just be able to stand up and tell ole Rose to stick it up her a**?

I wish I could go through this kind of crap in an acceptable way too. Praying with you.

Heh heh heh. Too bad they didn't offer at the ROA when garbage bags of moolah were going on their appointed rounds. I remember one of those little meetings. And the eyes of everybody was on that little basket, looking to see if anybody really was going to take the offer.

ha ha ha ha ha.. But you know, your feelings could be pretty right about stuff like this.. Lets see. Need a life, or psychoanalysis.. Personally, I could perhaps use both. Only working on one though, can't afford the price of the other.. by the time I can, it probably won't make a heck of a lot of difference! But as far as human nature is concerned, I think I get it.. seems little things, little opinions are far more important to some than a million or so people on the other side of the world sick or dead. I'm not speaking for everybody, but those kind of things are just, inconceivable- unless you see it, or if it happens to you. Maybe personal opinions on small matters are more important to individuals because in that category, they have a little more control. Can't stop the car bombing in Lebanon, or equally bad things, but the person can "pin the devil's ears back" in their own little world, so to speak..

Northern Michigan is kind of nice, if you can stand the winters here. Real nice in the summer though.

If I were you, I wouldn't buy the idea that I am some kind of Tokyo Rose, taunting the boys in the ranks with inuendo about how their girlfriends are sleeping with their cousins back in the good ole USA or something.. You keep supporting that pile called a ministry- giving God a black eye at almost every turn- you are on the wrong side of the war. What you represent is not worth the fight, or the sacrifice. It MAY have been, once.

Or even to be able to sit down for supper, without listening to the ramblings and obscene angry outbursts from a madman.. Don't know how it is now, but that's the way it was, for a VERY LONG TIME. Think things are better? Wait till the next generation gets ahold of the thing.. You've trained them well.

Or even to have a job, that there is at least an INKLING of a hope that one day, many years from now, you may actually be able to RETIRE. The way I see it, there were only three jobs in the whole joint that could be enjoyed in an "emeritus" fashion. Now there are five.

Or even to have a REAL job, that: You wouldn't get raked over hot coals, for calling in sick because you had the stinking flu and 104 deg temperature. Even more than once a year. That you would work your forty hours, go home, enjoy your family with NO OTHER OBLIGATIONS. No other after hour responsablilities to "da boss". A job that, in between handling mountains of paperwork, you are not required to clean the parking lot, which has been assaulted with large oil leaks from the typical follower's cars. A job that, you are not "reamed a couple of new ones" for merely disagreeing with the boss. To have a job, that there is actually a small hope of self-improvement, or advancement. That you could make an income, sufficient to rent or buy a place, so you can go home and relax or sleep, somewhere other than WHERE YOU WORK. Personally, I really like the work that I do, but enough is enough.. Honestly- when I am tempted to think life is unkind, unfair, to complain about my job, I stop and think. It could be a LOT worse. I could have been on staff at HQ.

My impression is that he wanted all the benefits of being da driver of da coach without any of the responsabilities.

That's not too bad. Sometimes, I forget what I come into a room to look for. I often have to go back out and in several times in the hopes of jarring my memory of what it was I was supposed to remember. I wonder what the neighbors think..

Or it could be the icons got mixed up with all of those darn herbal viagra emails out there in cyber-space.. They probably decided to violate their weekly schedule, and take a detour without travelling by two's through hotmail or something. Internet debils got em, real good..

Maybe Paw is putting fertilizer on them..

Yep. Or wouldn't it be nice- to be able to make a stop, an UNSCHEDULED stop, ANYWHERE. Honestly. The devil is not lurking behind McDonald's, whispering and gesturing to you to deviate from your scheduled flight path, into the ravening bowels of destruction. Believe me. I've been there hundreds of times, without a schedule, and GASP! BY MYSELF. Haven't got jumped by devils, at least to this day. Maybe Ronald McDonald is hanging out behind there waiting for some poor sap, but I've never seen devils. How childish, to treat grown adults like that.. And very very sad.

Or to be able to spend more than ten hours a week with your favorite hobby. Naw, just dreaming I guess..

Wouldn't it be nice: Just to ENJOY LIFE. No guilt about it. Really. Just to be able to do something for the community, and not have the haunting thought that you are contributing to a "second rate cause". Maybe just to have the pleasure of taking a few college science classes and learning how the universe REALLY works, or at least the best that is known for now..

Even from a pessimistic "what if" attitude: what if: You lose your job. Well, if you are on track with today's work skills, that should be no problem. Unless you've been "busy" kissing TWI's backsides on some "cushy" staff job for years- then you are in for some real trouble.. What if the economy goes completely to pot. So what? If the economy went completely "south", either way, if you rent, or if you are buying, you're still gonna be in a heap of crap. Is that what they are really making people afraid of? The possibility of NOT being able to meet their obligations? I think it boils down to TWI's "greatest enemy"- fear.

Well, now that you ask.. "Forced sex" Deuteronomy 22: 28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; 29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel’s father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days. Where does the woman have any say in this, AT ALL? Can't imagine what it would be like to be married to the jerk that "laid hold on her".. "abandonment of one's children.." Deuteronomy 21: 18 ¶ If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: 19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; 20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. 21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear. I would call that abandonment, to the extreme. "justification of the destroying of ones brother" Deuteromy 6: 6 ¶ If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; 7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; 8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: 9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. Not that I necessarily approve of worshipping other gods, but there it is.. Forced abortion, justification of covering up felonies, forced divorces- I think the other themes were contrived out of the bible by evil men. But back to the subject at hand. Myself, I would offer no opinion or criticism about anything Harry Potter. I never read the books, I never saw the movies. I could not give an honest assessment, nor would I by default agree with one that had any particular religious axe to grind. No fascination with Harry for me.

Honestly, I pity the poor devils.. I like that term. Its so, un-Wayish. Staffers just gotta suffer for the lord, I guess..

Mud slinging party? Naw. More like "food fight!" This is a Cafe, after all.