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"you mock God with decoder ring references" More like he was mocking PEOPLE. People who think they are God. People who THINK they are the Almighty. Mocking is a good, "biblical" principle. Don't knock it too much.

Don't speak for all of us, heh heh.

Galen, hope I didn't pi** you off too much.. just some folk turning it into PFAL is God is a little too much- had to say something.

Very interesting.. short leash. How about just being a PFAL grad? Some here would stick you on a VERY short leash if was possible. The eternal working, reworking, etc, etc. Feels good not to be wearing that sucker anymore.

Heh heh.. One thing to consider.. When I quit, I did not change eating or exercise habits. The body seemed to process food MUCH more efficiently.. some areas seemed to grow at an exponential rate. Don't know your health or exercise habits but.. exercise may help matters. I hope this does not put me on the "hit" list, heh heh.

75?% Dixie.. can't see how.. spent the majority of my life north of the Mason-Dixon line.

"Actually, I think both aspects of VP's definitions of allos and heteros are used in PFAL." I thought that was another "definition" that he lifted from Bullingers "How to Enjoy the Bible".

I wonder if anybody else can hear screaming all the way from Long Beach..

Maybe just a little trip off the beaten path but- I remember this nice little "love" message several weeks back. "Well, we oughta forgive, we oughta not go so hard on em, maybe if wer'e nice they'll LET US come back..." Add to this- "You MUST come back to PFAL". Add to this- trying to have some kind of intimate communication with that group of spiritual inept at the best, downright evil at the worst, deadbeats. What are you trying to do? Barter some kind of "deal" with "them" to cease hostilities, return to the mastery of PFAL, and have the "slaves" return? Yeppers. The upper ups there would just LOVE that. Think you're some kind of modern day "Moses" with the mystic "revelation" and you're gonna somehow part the sea to bring back the slaves? Honestly, that's exactly what I would be returning to- under almost ANY condition promised- slavery. There are STILL slaves in that- but I won't say God-forsaken- place- can't rub HIM out entirely, you know. I am beginning to ask myself: "what" am I dealing with here? Less and less does it look human- even "twisted" human. Not an accusation- just my observation. It would surely explain the apparent lack of results.

Probably take "un-choice" number three- dodge, ignore, and slither off into the night.. Cripe- the lack of results just won't go away- took a long long time, but even I figured that out.

Well... my answer to the million dollar question: probably better than I used to.

Don't get mad at me for being "mean" in a public setting.. you're the one that made the claim, IN A PUBLIC SETTING. I would do the same thing in a CHURCH- nicely at first though. The way I see it, you have one of two choices. 1. Eat the claim. Use lots and lots of ketchup. That may help it go down. 2. Show me the results. Honestly- I did not make the claim- you did.

Still no results. Nope. Nada. Zippo. Ah, but I finally see it ALLUDED to. "Spiritual understanding"- biblically a sound concept, but here, it is so subjective, so vague. "Well, you really would not understand". Try me. Really. What happened to the claim of abundance IN ALL CATEGORIES? "Well, he really didn't mean that. What, you greedy or somethin? After all, results are not guaranteed". Let me see if this helps: repeat after me: "working and reworking PFAL did __________ for me" "I learned __________" "I saw some concrete, tangible results. They were ___________" I was honest enough to fill in those blanks with my posts. Surely, it cannot be that hard. What's the worst that can happen? Maybe my dumb a** little "unspiritual" brain won't get it. Maybe I already have had said results, a thousand times over. Maybe not. Or are we like the "swine", and you refuse to cast your PFAL "pearls" before us? Maybe they are not the "pearls" you hold them to be of high esteem? Not trying to be mean, just a little honest here- just trying to figure this thing out. So far I see all talk. All words. That's fine, if you can do anything with them. "Well, I've got faith- and lots of it- (sorry, PFAL says "believing") Wonderful. Let's see the works.

Lets see.. Here we have a class, adding approximately 20 plus years of unparalelled zeal and conviction to understand and apply- in an honest manner- and STILL fails miserably- somehow still has to be the greatest thing since canned tuna. Good grief- I still have not heard you weigh in with your "results". I gave mine. Pretty "personal". Show me what it did/is doing for you. The lack thereof suggests to me "no results". Have you started cleaning out hospitals? It has happened- but let's see you do it the PFAL way. Let's see YOU jump over the moon. Oh, maybe I just wasn't jumping just proper. Don't think so. I jumped every stinking way you could interpret that thing, in most categories, and STILL it did not work. Please explain. You tried a "new" method of jumping? I've tried and seen them all. To suggest I did not "take it seriously"- well, I won't reply. I "gambled" practically my all, my fortune, my sacred honor on that thing. Others gambled far more than I did. My posts are not loaded with "confusion". To think I did not "get it right" is ludicrous. If its THAT hard to "get it right" its not the word. I did not coast on "partial knowledge"- I road the stinking thing as IT ran into the wall. Really.. show me the results. Go ahead- ride "the train"- let's see where it takes you. No documentation- I HAVE to assume- no results. Nada. Zip.

Maybe I didn't state it clearly enough.. They don't even have to do a REWRITE. Wouldn't even need to "solicit" any more "blessing" letters. Just shuffle everything around, change the names, and oila! "New" magazine. They could do it with a quarter of the "staff". Still would sell it. The innies wouldn't dare quesion it- "I thought we worked that for three months in a row". Sure, they pay a pittance now, but they could do the very same thing for a quarter of a pittance. Heck, it works for classes and the "new purvailing series" books.

I kind of see your point. I also sponsored several folks. I think the real point is where the upper ups associated some kind of commitment to GOD being the same as a lifetime commitment to the MINISTRY- come "hell or high water"- well, looks like both of those "came".. The idea that God is supposed to BE the ministry.. seems pretty off kilter to me. I kind of see Skyrider's point- this "lifetime of commitment to the ministry that taught you da verd" was a rather short leash, indeed- people are not dogs- shouldn't treat them like that. Come to think of it, most people treat their dogs better-

I kind of thought that this was like the last big election too. At the time, I was hoping that the LEAST competent guy got in. That'd put a balance to things.. *'s record showed incompentence and ineptness without bounds- perfect qualifications for the office..

Doesn't suprise me. It took them over sixty years to figure out that beastiality wasn't all it was cracked up to be..

Very very interrresting.. I find the odds of finding the mention of this fellow on this forum rather astronomical. This guy ran across my path. Lived two doors away from me. Seemed to be a "nice guy"- just couldn't stay away from dope. Couldn't function in society without something to "take off the edge". Couldn't hold a job. He was in prison over HALF of his life- all from piddly little crap- nothing violent- at least that I know of. I think they TAUGHT him how to "work" the system. All he knows how to do- only skill he's got. Now he's over forty.. sad. Probably going to die in prison. Even seems intelligent- just no motivation to have to do anything. I think if he did not go back to prison, he would have stepped up his efforts a notch and gone with violence. At least my opinion..

Well, I justed voted for *. Moved em up from six to eleven percent. Maybe that will partly fix the poor things ego.

But it could have been a whole lot worse. I could have gone on staff. Really.. If its anybody I have compassion for, its some goodhearted folks that have REALLY given their all and all- I can partly imagine what its like. Fifty-some years old, and put out with no or little savings, no retirement and no marketable job skills- besides what they did to Mrs. Wierwille- look what they do to other long time staffers. Where is the promise of abundance then? "Sorry, results not guaranteed. We've given you da verd". And of course it is "biblically" justified- "they were just not darn committed enough to da one true household" or some such nonsense. I knew somebody that was tossed out of the corps just because the limb guy thought she was "ugly"- and I kid you not. "Just looks worse and worse, must be a spurt in thar"..that was one reason given for the mark and avoid sentence. So out you go, to figure out your own health care and retirement- if you ever will, or ever even CAN retire. I have about a ten year head start from what some of these folks have been given. So much for taking care of the elders in the church. I don't see how some people can survive this- mentally, physically, or spiritually. Some don't. Maybe they oughta just go back and "master" PFAL. Forget that the stinking thing is tattooed in there almost permanently. Couldn't "leave it" if you wanted to. I am still spitting up the same stuff. Unless somebody has some real concrete evidence otherwise, I still think that in a practical sense, it failed miserably- at least to the extent of the claims.

Yeah, double post. I killed it..

Cripe- at least I got a LITTLE out of PFAL. You'd have to really work this one over to find much..

Makes me wonder why they even BOTHER publishing the thing. Same bland stuff, same old worn out trough for "God's people" (God have mercy on em" to weed through to try to get SOME nourishment. They could save a lot of costs- just "recycle" old way rags. Same stuff anyway- nobody would know the difference.

Sorry, normally not this grumpy.