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They will probably talk her into going to look at a new exhibit in da auditorium- "the great egress".

Now it all makes sense.. I thought they had a gas problem for a long time. Just stand up wind..

Yep.. typical. Come to think of it, "da webmaster" is not even an employee of da vey inc. What a pathetic existence. Still don't think he got "the beating' of his life? And probably from some young snot nosed friggin Hitler type but-somehow-debt-free son of a bitch. I have seen stuff like this before my very eyes- in the early nineties, these were the kind of leaders sent out to "tenderly lead" the flock. And they showed some real zeal in carrying out their mission. They are here to stay. Last I checked, some of the worst are now responsible for whole REGIONS. Even in "da good ole days" (EARLY seventies) I saw stuff that would curl your hair (or straighten it if it was curly to begin with..). I witnessed first hand how a group of leaders put their wives "in their proper place" for attempting to inject a little logic in a planning session. Not a public meeting. No MOG type being held up for ridicule or anything even remotely resembling that. A private, informal, gathering. What they did, you DO NOT want to know. The only thing I will say is that the women could have pressed criminal charges if they chose to do so. Somehow things are supposed to be so much better now. I wonder what it is like to be a "wife of the way" now. Somehow, this fifty-some year old guy just sits back and takes it- deluding himself that somehow this is all God's will. I am not saying he's evil- I would give him the benefit of doubt- probably the nicest guy you could know. Sadly, the nicest people in that outfit are targeted with the worst treatment. The nicest believers in our area were the first target of inquisition and expulsion. I am only "partly nice" and somewhat logical- took them a little longer to get around to me. Only partly mean at times. I guess I'm not quite "the right material". They've just got him convinced (or more "accurately" more conditioned than Pavlov's dog) that the cold stove is hot. Touch it and you're "possessed". "How many devils do you see? "You must be kidding. I can't see any devils there.." Zapppp- "wrong, bucko.." I was there too at one time.. saw devils under every rock, in every civic organization, behind every tree. Behind almost any motive. Add to this that I was not in the inner circle.. this guy is CORPS. The most dedicated, committed they've got. So who really "runs" that website? No question in my mind.

I dunno about that.. ole harve's letter sure did not impress me as being qualified as "communication". Communication requires at least two people. At the minimum, an exchange of ideas. I just don't see it. What I did see was an ultimatum of sorts, or a justification for ungodliness. And he could care less what you or I think. In the end, there was no exchange of thought or ideas, no real "communication". For the life of me, I can't see why he even bothered writing that little "beauty"- unless he thought he was doing God a service, somehow confronting us "knuckleheads" for the error of our internet ways. Just so much more screaming and beating of the chest.. I have heard enough of that already. "We are right because of... end of discussion". If anything at all, I think it had the opposite result of what he intended. Feel free to call this "communication", I call it something else entirely. "Communication" ha. When I saw the couple of pleasant exchanges between the guy and Igotout, I was counting the hours. Even the simple exchange of pleasantries was rather short lived. This is so typical of way tactics. See any "deadbeat" exwayfers? Dont run right away. Say a couple nice things, then dissappear when they're not looking.

"Fixed" and in more ways than one. Neutered. De-sexed. Sterilized. Holy cow.. how many hoops do you have to go through now, just to have the "priviledge" to tell all the wonderful "household" how blessed you are.. blessed about this, blessed about that? Blessed about what? "well, I am blessed that I am blessed". "Oh, well, I agree. I am glad you are blessed that you are blessed. You know what? I am blessed that I am blessed too.." And you have to have approval of your limb and region coordinator to pull off even this much. Precious freedom in de vey..

Who says it was HIS decision to begin with? John B himself? Not likely. Innies are not ALLOWED to make decisions. But I suppose he may have been given one decision: "you low life scumsucking weak etc etc who dared to let da household get infested.. etc. etc. have one chance to "fix" this. Or you're out on your rear with the rest of your greasespot friends...etc. etc." I think this little scenario is probably a lot closer to what really happened here. Think not? I have seen what has been done to people who have done or allowed far less "evil" than this. I have seen stuff that would make your hair stand on end, and I was not even in "the inner circle". I bet ole Rosie and gang vented some real steam over this one. Well, the website is definitely "fixed".

Yeah.. "spiffy" looking- ha. Funny, I thought they claimed to be followers of The Way, Jesus Christ. Here you have a website for "followers of Day Vey international inc". What does that say..

Aha.. now we are starting to see a little light on da situation.. so now you are accusing a MACHINE of a falsehood. What "falsehood"? That you are "welcome"? FINALLY, somebody in this new and improved version of the organization is going to admit this. You are NOT welcome. "Our ignorant machine, which is stating otherwise, is lying". And you do have a good point. We paid once, and most of us paid again and again. Sounds reasonable. Just refund us our "membership" fees. Interesting.. the more this guy "dances with devils", the more doo doo he seems to getting himself into..

"whadya mean I can't take it with me?!!!"

Yep. Like a squatter on a supposed silver mine. She will be clawing the ground to stay even when she is long past dead..

Aha. He "looked at your website"! Uh oh.. must be "puzessed" now.. heh heh. Another victim of "web debils". Roy, I am really suprised that he responded to your email to begin with. It's gotta go bad for him now- now he's having whole conversations with "web devils".. heh heh.

"You can only improve on the tithe by increasing the proportion" (e.g. give us LOTS more money)

She probably thinks she owns da place..

I think they got rid of all of the welcome mats a few years ago during one of the infamous "burn the chaff" weekends.

"you're welcome" in Vey vocabulary- "we will "put up" with you if: 1. You have LOTS and LOTS of money. And be willing to throw generous amounts of it in our direction. Even doctrinal issues can be ignored if you are willing to throw enough dough our way. 2. If you do not have LOTS and LOTS of money, just LOTS of it, you have permission to throw a generous amount of it in our direction, provided you do not "cause trouble". 3. If you have only SOME money, you are allowed to humiliate yourself by jumping at our every request, provided you throw generous amounts of what you do have in our direction. 4. If you have no money, see numbers 1-3. Achieve one of these and you may be "welcome at der vey"."

Like anything else that is "vey", their website smells well, so Rosie.

Hey, it could be a tag-team Saturday morning wrestling spectacular. Let Donna in the ring and work over Harv and da other guy for a while..

Kinda reminds me of "da good ole days". The teacher would go on and on about the accuracy of the word, how everything is in it, can trust it, find a promise and believe it.. then he turned around and said something to the effect of "what do you think? Do you think this is some kind of magic book?" I felt like saying, I thought that's what you just said a few minutes ago..

And remember, groundhog day is not just a holiday. Its a state of mind.

I feel sorry for the poor folks left in there, thinking things might get better. Each pres seems to have outdone the previous pres in the category of sin, egotism, and just plain meanness.

Maybe they can't find anybody willing to step up to the plate. If I had to be/look like her, I wouldn't want it either. Cripe, they can keep the money.

That's a pretty good point. When things are going right, it's "see, He does what we tell Him to do"- but when things go wrong, I pity the poor guy that's maybe just having a bad day. Doesn't work? You MUST be evil, or slothful, or "spiritually asleep" or... on and on. I personally did not know the Wierwille died from cancer until a few YEARS after I was out. Even then, people kind of got huffy saying "that's pretty morbid, why would you want to know that?" "well, you say it's a devil spirit. How could that be?" I guess they're still trying to figure it out. In the meantime, they leave it where it is, swept under the rug. I guess you have to do something to be able to live with yourself..

Ex seventies.. now that's a real idea. If Bally's is wasting his "talent" he could "help" Enron out of all of their little problems.. he could claim he witnessed first hand an organization heading for sure disaster..

I think they changed that one, "I've got no friends when it comes to da verd" to "I've just plain got no friends". Sad, but true..

Well, smart she may not be, but she can "sorcer" with the best of them.