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Maybe they can't find anybody willing to step up to the plate. If I had to be/look like her, I wouldn't want it either. Cripe, they can keep the money.

That's a pretty good point. When things are going right, it's "see, He does what we tell Him to do"- but when things go wrong, I pity the poor guy that's maybe just having a bad day. Doesn't work? You MUST be evil, or slothful, or "spiritually asleep" or... on and on. I personally did not know the Wierwille died from cancer until a few YEARS after I was out. Even then, people kind of got huffy saying "that's pretty morbid, why would you want to know that?" "well, you say it's a devil spirit. How could that be?" I guess they're still trying to figure it out. In the meantime, they leave it where it is, swept under the rug. I guess you have to do something to be able to live with yourself..

Ex seventies.. now that's a real idea. If Bally's is wasting his "talent" he could "help" Enron out of all of their little problems.. he could claim he witnessed first hand an organization heading for sure disaster..

I think they changed that one, "I've got no friends when it comes to da verd" to "I've just plain got no friends". Sad, but true..

Well, smart she may not be, but she can "sorcer" with the best of them.

Wouldn't suprise me if they copied it- word for word.

Now now. Can't accuse the old "gal" of being slothful. Why, at this very moment, she is probably merrily prancing around the cauldron, trying to "conjure" up the greatly anticipated class for the followers to "enjoy". And they WILL "enjoy" it.

Sorry Satori, not trying to kill your thread.. I just find the resorts people go to to put God or miracles in their particular box astounding.

Ignore this if you are squeamish.. heh heh. They really should take a lesson from the witchdoctors, if they have not already have done so. Seems these guys would ingest latex too- lots of it- then projectile vomit white stuff almost upon command. This was obvious proof that they could "dance with devils". Come to think of it, Loy already tried that..

Just when you thought it was safe, there it is again! Oh well- anybody else notice that its still pretty cold? We still have snow around here. I think Phil was right again..

Somehow, "I is da man, and you WILL obey me" probably wouldn't quite do it.

But to watch the "interview" would be amusing, in the least. "Now, "Mr" Martindale, what qualifications do you bring before this board to obtain this position?" "Well, umm, cough cough.."

Shortly followed up with "disobedience is sin".

"We should want to obey our wonderful MOG"

Mass marketing the miraculous.. now there's an original idea.. ha. They have LOTS of competition, and most of the competition has more experience and resources. So, if you want to succeed in this cult business, what do you do? Label all other sellers of the miraculous as possessed, mislead and worse. Scream about those who do not believe you, beating your breast while spewing curses. Reminds me of a National Geographic program I saw once. Two witchdoctors trying to outdo each other- the poor village people had to somehow be convinced that their resident witchdoctor had more power than the other. From what I remember, the thing that was most convincing was how much bile they could spit..

Dunno.. seems to me that the corpse program was highly over-rated. Don't get me wrong.. I know a lot of you guys got some good out of it. But I think you had a lot going for yourselves to begin with. And not everyone was in it for the power and glory. Just makes me wonder, what in the world was the old Vicster thinking?? Take an otherwise untalented, mediocre jock and with "the magic of believing, and proper conditioning" turn him into the MOG for our day and time- the "ultimate believer". Honestly, he couldn't really be the best "available" for the job. I guess ole vic did get a guy that could run the place- into the ground. Poor Bally's- I guess you just can't make a silk CEO out of a sow's ear.. ole vic proved that can't be done.

Heh heh.. could have a 400 pound muscle-bound fella named "Bubba" confront him about messing with his wife..

Tights for all followers would be mandatory, not only during fitness sessions, but at all hours of the day and night. As a present to the corporation for their sagish wisdom of appointing him, the pres would produce and star in a new production, "You too can have fitness by dancing with devils in the light of a full moon. Tights not optional". Titled in smaller print, "Mogginhood, men in tight (tight) tights".

With a flood of tears, he could announce that it was "revealed" to him that the word of fitness has really gone over the world, and that he was chosen to escort the "faithful" into the land of PREVAILING fitness. As they merrily jogged across the "bridge" to ambiguous fitness, along with certain financial ruin, those dedicated followers would confront the unfit world about the error of their un-fittish ways with da logic of fitness. "Give me fitness, or give me death" would be their cry, and "pass da koolaid".

Another thread got me thinking about this.. at least on one occasion (that I personally heard) Loy intimated how he was really wasting his talent, that he could EASILY run a fortune 500 company the way it really needed to be run. The attitude was that such a company would be nuts not to jump at the chance to have him aboard as CEO. Somehow, Bally's is missing "the opportunity of a lifetime". How can they leave such talent in the lurch, being just a mere employee? With Loy at the helm, he could "lead" the company into a financial condition unparalleled since the first century. So why haven't they adopted his "reforms"? 1. Fire all of the supposed "experts" in business and physical training. They could save a bundle and replace them with "specially trained" high school and middle school grads. Save loads of money on education. 2. All customers who left Bally's of their own accord and otherwise would immediately be given the status of "mark and avoid". Anybody who talked to them, or anybody else who left for different health fitness options would be guaranteed to become "a greasespot by midnight". 3. All memberships would be immediately revoked. There are only three "members" in the organization to speak of. 4. All employees would undergo emergency financial cutbacks. They must sell their houses, live in cardboard boxes, or four and more could live in frugal, dormroom type settings. These "benefits" would be proudly listed by the management to indicate how "generous" they are. 5. Any methods of training from outsiders would be held up to extreme scrutiny, and public contempt. We have all da answers you know. 6. Trainees (no longer club members) would be required to "donate" at the minimum, fifteen percent of their incomes, before taxes. 7. Da club is not to be blamed. Not getting results? Maybe you are not giving enough. Our training methods are above reproach. 8. There will be no "new research". The club will rely solely on seventy-five year old army surplus fitness manuals. 9. Employees will be watched even closer than trainees. They will mysteriously dissapear in the night before they even have a chance to complain. The next day, they will be publically ridiculed as possessed, unfaithful to company policy, and generally, not nice. Yep.. Bally's doesn't have a clue of what they are missing out on.

No offense to Zshot, but I hope the women are happily married. Heck, he couldn't have married BOTH of them, anyway! George Well.. in most states, anyway.

Not to side track things too much but.. wonder why ole Loy did no go back in "training"? Maybe he knew what kind of treatment he had coming. Probably well remembered what he did to the other poor victims.

Wouldn't suprise me very much. I have seen what "they" are capable of doing to a guy that just HAD to get up during a teaching. Unbelievable. It would really suprise me if he was indeed still the site administrator there. Now here's a valid argument that indeed the ministry is running that website, even if they claim otherwise- you HAVE to go through your Limb AND Region coordinator to get in. I wonder what they have to say about that?

I know leaving that place for many is not an easy thing to do. For a lot of folks, it's almost like dealing with death or divorce. What are they gonna do when they leave? Where are they going to go? Who can they trust? It's been drummed in them from day one that you can't trust anybody outside of "da household". They have you on a leash, and a very short one at that. Nobody deserves that kind of treatment. You could have more of an abundant life living in a cardboard box, in my opinion. Sure, it may hurt, but you WILL get over it- you may find that life out here is a lot better than you think. I took up Loy's challenge that there's nothing good out here. I went out to look. In a short amount of time, I found more care and concern in a small "ungodly" civic organization than I saw YEARS of involvement with the ministry.

Interesting.. some people did write some songs though. Don't know how "good" I would call them, but they did end up in the song book. And da vey did copyright them. I think those were about the only songs in the book that showed anykind of copyright notice or permission to publish.