Twinky

Oh, so true!

Ah Rocky - you spoilsport!

Skyrider - you danced like that? Cute! Did ya wear the little skirt like that, too?

I had a career, which could have taken me to places of influence. Not really been able to pick that up again. Do something very different now. I had some good friends, who (amazingly) have welcomed me "back" with love in my post-Way days. I liked music and bands and whatever, mostly rock/prog rock style, but my musical interests got squashed in Waydaze. Happily now I have resumed an interest in music and am getting the musical education I missed out on in secondary school - rather different - now I sing in a choir (mostly works by Mozart, Brahms, those older composers - brilliant choirmaster, Head of the school's music dept, makes sure we know what was going on in music at the time); sing in a couple of church worship groups in "cathedral contemporary" style. In fact, sung a solo part in the abbey here, 500 in the congregation (yikes!). What else? Broke up with a nice guy that I could've been with even now - he wasn't interested in God stuff so I lost interest in him. (He's been married many years now now to the person he met after me). But I have nice male friends in my life ... and who knows where it goes from here? (smiles privately to self).

I had a career. Which wonderfully took me to another country. Which, since this thread appears to have become about cars, enabled me to buy my first car, a Ford Laser Sport. Bright red, it was (especially once I'd cut'n'polished it, brought the colour up beautifully). I liked it a lot. Like this but below the rubber door trim it was red, not grey as in the image.

Very good post, T-Bone. Very good.

Oh, what rubbish. Either it fits all or it fits none. If your whatever-it-is is really the revealed word of God, then it should be good for "OLGs," "refugees from Craig," grads, and people who have never heard of TWI. Do you know, Mike, if people do a PhD (as in "Dr W"), they have a very searching oral examination on the minutiae of the subject of their thesis? " Once you have submitted your thesis you will be invited to defend your doctorate at a ‘viva voce' (Latin for ‘by live voice') or oral examination. The thesis defence can be a daunting prospect, but many people really enjoy this experience of discussing their PhD research with genuinely interested experts. It can also be a useful networking opportunity. " https://www.vitae.ac.uk/doing-research/doing-a-doctorate/completing-your-doctorate/your-viva Your Dr W would (if he'd really done a doctorate) have had to defend his thesis (premises) before real experts. He would have to show he really knew his stuff. It's a bit more than delivering a token sermon. Now then, Mike. You will see if you care to read the link above that to some extent you are being subject to some searching and challenging questions. (I know you aren't defending a PhD but you are presenting some very controversial material.) You have to answer these challenges if you want to be taken seriously. If (as appears) you want people to throw away their Bibles, their compilations of sacred literature going back for millennia, in favour of PFAL material, you have to deal with the challenges as to why that might not be an appropriate course of action. I daren't even think about you presenting PFAL to a Jewish person, telling them that Moses is a liar or deluded or hadn't got it right, and that some cornfield preacher in Ohio is the only one who really understands God. Never mind "OLGs," "refugees from Craig," and grads.

(runs off screaming)

I honestly cannot believe that you really believe that, Mike. Whaddya mean, "Welcome"? I've already posted several things on this thread. Some of which you have responded to. For someone to receive such great revelation as to write the whole revealed word of God... at the same time behaving as that wicked man did... beggars even the ... (words fail me). Totally preposterous. You are so badly deluded, Mike.

Mike said: I don't think even VPW said that. Explicitly, at any rate. Might be implied, by requiring extensive study of collaterals rather than what everyone else refers to as "the Bible."

"The greatest secret in the world today is that the finished PFAL writings is the revealed Word of God.

That would only be the things that you yourself wrote, Mike, wouldn't it? If you were to use other people's responses without their permission, you'd be breaching their copyright. If you passed such commentary off as your own, that'd be plagiarism, as well. And you wouldn't want to be accused of being a plagiarist, would you?

Yet another distracting device. Some might think it a great ADvantage to not know other posters in person, so that the PoV can be considered outside any background knowledge. Do the facts support the argument, or does one's knowledge of the person tip the balance - either to agree or to disagree with the argument? If personal knowledge of a poster tips the balance, then what is being considered, the argument or the person? People here don't need to prove their PoV because nobody here has stated that they think the scriptures are Godbreathed or any such argument. The context is: is PFAL "Godbreathed" as you, Mike, assert?

I knew it! I knew that he'd argue about "proof." ("What kind of a proof do you want?") My only surprise is that he hasn't asked what "proof" actually means, he only asks "What kind?" as if there are at least two kinds of proof, and possibly more. Mike, surprise us all with any kind of proof. Emphasis on "proof," not on what kind.

Yep, So_crates. You've asked just one question. Let's see just one answer.

No, you bloody well weren't, despite many many requests for answers. Wouldn't mind if you could actually refute anything - whether neatly or not. But that would require actually addressing something that had been said.

That's where I found it.

Plagiarism? Theft of copyright? I was checking out something that was raised in an earlier thread and found this on the home page: And here was I, thinking that L.E.A.D. Outdoor Academy and W.O.W. Ambassadors were TWI products. (Mods, please spin this off as a separate thread if you think more appropriate, or depending on the way this thread develops.)

I'm wondering if maybe someone ought to steal Mike's copy of the orange book. What would he say if someone did that? That's it's okay, it all belongs to God? Or that someone took something that is his, Mike's? If it's not okay to steal a physical object (a book) why is it okay to steal intangible stuff (intellectual property)? If the orange book is the revealed word of God (as Mike claims) and it was okay to steal the revealed word of God from Stiles, Bullinger, and others - then it must be okay to steal Mike's copy of the orange book.

That looks like an interesting site, Rocky. Mike provides a huge amount of amusement. He's clearly passionate about what he thinks and believes. But as we have been taught, "sincerity is no guarantee for truth." I wish he spent as much time on genuine Bible research and study.

You're making an assumption that VPW knew anything of church history. If there were any such classes in the seminary he went to, he must have snoozed through them. Very good point, although many early Christians weren't of Jewish background but converted from other religions/idols. A point that still stands today; there are many countries where Christians are persecuted (especially in Arab countries). Yet still people CHOOSE to convert, knowing that the penalties for doing so are huge. Such people know that there is something better, bigger, more powerful. They don't learn that from the TWI example of meanness and shouting. They learn from something they SEE (experience and power) in other Christians, as well as something they HEAR from them.

This topic is rather amazing in the way it swirls around. It reminds me of Tom Sharpe's Wilt novels. And Blott on the Landscape. And Porterhouse Blue. Other works. Basically, the author takes a "normal," if sometimes a little strange, situation, and keeps giving a bit of a tweak, some decision by the proponent that seems rational in the circumstances, that triggers something else, then another nearly rational decision - until suddenly you realise that you are in a totally bizarre scenario that is a million miles from where you started. Little in novels, etc, makes me laugh out loud. Snigger and snort a bit, but laugh out loud with tears running down my face? Wilt had me getting a complaint from the person sleeping upstairs ("You're laughing too loudly, be quiet!") (T-Bone, I think you'd enjoy these. Bit old but still funny.) And that's what seems to be happening on this thread.

Would that be the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? Don't forget that "When you eat of it you will surely die.”

Happy new year, people. God bless and guide you in this coming year into peacefulness of heart and joy in His presence.

If St Vic were alive, he'd probably be in prison.