Twinky

Thanks, Modgellan.

Dropping a few names is not a citation or even an acknowledgement of the named people's input. It's simply a even dropping. And any real PhD should know how to include citations. I had to include proper references when I did my paper for my Honours degree (and that was some serious ground breaking work and study, and which my department wanted me to publish an abridged version in a leading professional journal). Heck, you know what? When I did my research paper in rez, my first draft got sent back. I had only cited bible verses, maybe a bit fromantic Bullinger's works or some such. Not enough PFAL or collateral material quoted. How terrible ! Thing is, it was totally original work, have never seen anything like it before or since, and it didn't rely on any TWI material. I had to go back through the paper to add in pseudo references. So (1) TWI knows what citations, or references, are; and (2) they really don't care about research, only about how much parroting can be got into RPs. So don't be telling me that mentioning xyz or ABC by name in some random, obscure little talk is *anything* like citing their work. Unless maybe you were "citing" Donald Duck.

What the heck is Mike's great long post/transcript at the bottom of page 10 about? I have better things to do with my time than read all that, got through a few paragraphs. Anyone care to summarize? Nah, don't bother. I think maybe picking one's nose would be a better way to spend the time. Time for another glass of Merlot, methinks.

Only "mostly," Rocky?

Welcome, Taxidev. Think you already have a coffee. Nice to chat with you. It's going to be interesting to hear what a current innie has to say. Don't let aggressive comments from some here put you off. And, Taxidev, good that you find you can also learn from the R&R lot, but don't let that stop you from exploring what others have to say. There are good (and not so good) teachings and sermons in churches and on the net. If you listen to those outside of TWI kinda of thinking, your hackles will rise and your mind will start "correcting " what you hear. But stick with it, and you may gain some different perspectives. Take nothing and no one as being completely 100% accurate. They're all doing their best with what they know now (unless they are knowing scammers). They, like you, are free to reassess.

PFAL, yes, but isn't one of the collaterals also orange?

An no, I'm not trying to launch off into Doctrinal.

Just a bit off topic... The Orange Book. Which one is that? Wouldn't Jesus be carrying The New Dynamic Church, which from distant memory is a green covered book? Or has he no need for a dynamic church on his return, or have we all been gathered together by then?

The question: The answer: Mike! The hidden question: The answer: DWBH and Skyrider! (with assistance from Cafe friends)

And so, yet again, another thread has turned its focus onto Mike.

You see, Mike, for most of the people who post here, any "good" that came out of PFAL is greatly overshadowed by the VERY GREAT HARM that was done by PFAL. Both in its words and in its practice.

Mike, there were many who took PFAL and walked away during it- that shows what they thought of PFAL's "great good." Some others stuck around for a few months, and then were distracted by other events - that shows what they thought of PFAL's "great good." Some others stuck around for a couple of years, maybe going to twigs, and a few festivals like RoA and then stopped fellowshipping. Perhaps they moved away, or their twi leader moved away - that such people never continued shows what they thought of PFAL's "great good." And then, notching it up a bit... Some went in rez or on staff. Some left during their rez time or staff time. They usually left in bad circumstances, and they were badmouthed after their departure. That shows what the leavers thought of PFAL. Yet more were graduated corps or long-term staffers. And they too are no longer fellowshipping with TWI. TThat shows what they thought of PFAL's "great good." And there remain a few, a very few, who continue to fellowship with TWI. Compared with the numbers that have taken PFAL over the decades, that shows exactly how many people "admit to the GREAT good that came out of PFAL." As a percentage of all PFAL grads, it wouldn't be high. Where and who are these grads you are talking about? How many, within a few dozen, are you talking about? If PFAL did "great good" for them, why are they no longer fellowshipping with TWI? Why aren't you?

At this time of year, comfort food means MINCE PIES!

What the heck are they doing anyway, giving out Christmas presents (and not just tacky diaries) and using the abundant sharing for such expenditure?

Very funny, modcat. Craig was always going on about the "faithful remnant." The remaining or best part of the cloth. I posted something here once, something that came to me when I was cleaning the sink. My cleaning cloth was somewhat worn, a bit threadbare in the middle. It struck me then, as I scrunched up my cloth seeking a usable bit of cleaning fabric, that the "remnant" was the bit left over, the bit that hadn't (as it were) pulled its weight and given its all. And that rather fits with what WW has posted, about redundancy.

Hahahahahaha! Keys to keeping our minds DULL and pulling a VEIL OVER OUR EYES so that we can be fooled by his attacks, more like. Pity the in rez corps and staff that this class was practiced on, and who were then compelled to write these glowing reviews. Those days will start when you walk away from TWI and start to claim your rights in Christ to be free of oppression, when you stop being a captive of TWI. Innies - do it now!

Twinkies? In the plural? There's only one of me!!

Kathy, you gotta watch that T-Bone. He'll have you sputtering with laughter over your coffee in no time. By the way, T-Bone. We left the "desert menu" behind (thank God), and snack out on "desserts" now. I'll have apple pie and ice cream, please.

Kathy, we would all agree with you in that sentiment. In fact, almost any life is better than the drudgery and crushing guilt of TWI.

Okay, now I have to sign off. Am being harassed and yelled at by Crypto, who wants her treats (handfed on Dreamies, fragments of ham, or the like). She still doesn't let me pick her up but at least she beats me up now. And then to bed. Night night.

The b&w one is called Tuxedo (for obvious reasons), and her all-black litter mate is Crypto (loves to hide, was three months before I even saw her). Two very troubled girlies. Here's their story. It got to be quite a long thread. http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/16471-cat-whispering/ Yes, we discussed Going Clear, too. There's a search function at the top of each page, top right corner. That might help you locate similar topics if you choose appropriate key words. You can search the thread you're on; the wider forum, like About The Way, or Open; and all content.

Here.have a look at this. It's currently 4 pages long (we have a lot to say about that, here )

Oh, and lest I forget my manners, Kathy - welcome. Draw up a chair, have a coffee and have a good read and a natter.

Have you seen the Leah Rimini/Scientology thread in this forum? Pointing out the similarities between TWI and Scientology as total-control cults? (There are other threads, too.) I get you are talking about the individuals VPW and LRH, but the cult and the man are pretty much inseparable, since the man controls the cult and uses it to his own advantage.

T-Bone, you crack me up! That's hilarious! (I love yoghurt, have never tried that brand, and don't think I ever could now - I'd snort it out laughing too much)