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I said: quote: Simply follow the recipe and the "law" will guarantee a perfectly baked cake. To which you replied: VP didn't use those exact words, but if it was so obvious to you that THAT was the message ............................................................... Page 38/PFAL "If a person is afraid of not being able to hold his job, do you know what will happen? He will lose it. If one is afraid of a disease, he will manifest that disease because the law is that what one believes (in this case, what one negatively believes), he is going to receive.................The law of negative and positive believing works for both Christian and non-Christian. When we believe, we receive the results of our believing regardless of who or what we are." ................................................................ I think we all (hopefully) realize by now that this is simply not true. Furthermore, Wierwille stressed that any results that might be realized were not facilitated by the intervention of God, but, rather, by virtue of this being some sort of immutable "law", like gravity. For instance, we have the example of the little boy who was struck and killed by a car because of the fear (negative believing) in his mother's heart. Where does God fit into this scenario? According to the "law of believing", as stated by Wierwille, God was not necessary for this event to happen. The mother merely had to harbor fear.(ie: believe it was going to happen) And, according to Wierwille's definition of this so-called "law of believing", the incident was inevitable and unavoidable. For decades, J.L taught that the law of believing is true. Now, he has done an about face and is teaching that it's false. ........................................... "why didn't you get suspicious when it didn't work?" Are you acknowledging by this, then, that, in fact, it didn't work?

The old "date and switch" routine. Fairly standard M.O. for The Way, back in the "good ol' days".

That may be what you think you heard VP teach but, it doesn't reflect the reality of what he taught in PFAL. "Works for saint and sinner alike" is what he said. No intervention from God required. Simply follow the recipe and the "law" will guarantee a perfectly baked cake. Don't even get me started on the camera analogy.

........................................................... How does this explain the relevance of the post I inquired about? (#103) edit This, incidentally, is an Ad Hominem: "Not from the soot colored glasses you look through." (post #106) (It doesn't strengthen your position, in case you haven't noticed.)

Thanks, Socks.

It's hard to think about Da Gangstah without remembering Da Buffalo....Now that was one helluva connection... it lasted almost 40 years.... .

Connection....That's pretty much all most people are really looking for....in my opinion, anyhow.

Sometimes music is the only way we know to try to express what we're feeling..... Well, at least for me.....and then ya gotta hope somebody connects the dots.

John, rather than make this some sort of personal feud, I simply extend to you the challenge of demonstrating how your post is relevant to the "law of believing" that was taught in PFAL. That is, after all, the subject being discussed here.

Here's one for MStar1.....Happy Birthday

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC7zSY5O6FU

None of this has the least bit of anything to do with the "law of believing", as taught in PFAL.

Thanks. I haven't heard that one in decades. Excellent tune. Here's another amazing talent from the same era.

That song really sums up the law of believing...in a paraphrased way, of course. ................................................ Writer: Leigh Harline; Lyrics: Ned Washington When you wish upon a star, makes no difference who you are Anything your heart desires will come to you If your heart is in your dreams, no request is too extreme When you wish upon a star as dreamers do (Fate is kind, she brings to those who love The sweet fulfillment of their secret longing) Like a bolt out of the blue, fate steps in and sees you thru When you wish upon a star, your dreams come true

Maybe he just watched Pinocchio one too many times. My link

Well, those are the ones you really, REALLY want to take out of circulation. Know what I mean?

I googled it. I remember it quite well. (but not well enough, apparently) Good tune!

You need to call a spade a spade. Clearly, VPW, JL, and many others were teaching false doctrine, including you and I. You know that old guy, on the 5 O'clock news that got swindled out of his life savings? He didn't really lose his money....just the paper it was printed on.... <_<

Just a few more weary days and then..... y.