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I'm not sure about how or why. I think Abigail gave a good encapsulated summary, though. We see it here quite frequently and shake our heads in puzzlement. How can people discover the truth about Wierwille and continue to vaunt his image? In recognizing Wierwille was a fraud, we subsequently have to acknowledge we were duped. That can be both embarrassing and painful, especially if it resulted in great personal loss. The alternative is to ignore the obvious.

Several smaller ones here last week. I guess, though, they're only small to those on the outside looking in.

Onward they travel as blood stains their hands, Leaving us helpless to die in the sands, Leaving us crying, unable to run. They'll pay for the rape of the sun. New plans and strategies they now employ, Pulling the strings of their puppet-like toy, while far behind them we frantically run. They'll pay for the rape of the sun.

Like I said before, even if you were the one who made the decision, if that decision was based on flawed information or even deliberately false information, the outcome of the decision was not entirely decided by you. Therefore, the final outcome was "controlled" by someone other than yourself. To my thinking, that is how I perceive the meaning of "mind control". And, we made a lot of decisions in The Way that were based on sub-standard information.

What goes up, must come down.

Can't Buy Me Love

An apostate is someone who has forsaken their religion, group or cause. In that sense, we are all apostates of The Way.

I made a choice to go into the Fellowlaborers of Ohio program. I am responsible for making that choice. But, the choice was based on misinformation that was given to me by people I trusted. Do they get left off the hook here while I'm stuck holding the bag?

Because it makes it so much more convenient to loathe them.

Maybe a bit too much pinot grigio?

May your wine glass be always full. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e27G_aLCKM&feature=related

Change the names and some of the fine details and you're talking about a plot-line we all know too well.

I'm not sure I ever really understood this concept of "baiting a trap for the devil". Can you elaborate?

"The difference here that is important to highlight is that fire and brimstone preachers attach the consequence to not accepting Jesus as Savior. Cults such as TWI attach the consequence to leaving the group. The latter is much more of a mind control scenario through fear tactics and group think." To carry that a step farther, with fire and brimstone scenarios, the consequences are attached to "IN-action", whereas, with the cult scenario, the consequences are attached to "action". There is probably less tendency for a person to care about something they HAVEN'T done than something they HAVE done. (ie: exit the group)

R.I.P. Phoebe

FREE POST!!

FREE TURN!!

Spoonful----Howlin' Wolf (written by Willie Dixon)

WAIT!! No, really, that's the name of it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbnsIScI6hM

Date and switch. By the time I found out, midway through the class (audio tape), I was hooked and stayed to finish anyway. Then, the local leadership put me to work right away so I kept pretty busy for the first 3 or 4 years doing local meetings and classes and so forth. Somewhere during that time frame I took the advanced class. It was extremely depressing to discover there were no great spiritual lessons waiting to be discovered there. Maybe the most depressing two weeks of all the time I spent in "the ministry". Next, I went into Fellowlaborers of Ohio. It was there I began to see that we were living a life of delusion. I better stop there for now.

I had to enlist the help of Mr Google for this one.

Ah, c'mon, O.B. Just trying to inject a little humor into an otherwise quite serious topic. Do I put much stock in the survey numbers? Nah, I'm more interested in hearing the actual first hand accounts.

I thought his name was Vic. but I kinda like the rhyming sound.

It's a mistake doing anything that boasts the "law of believing" as a *requirement. ("You can learn more from hitch hiking than you can from studying the book of Genesis..... *It's gonna take some believing.".....VPW)