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"The flags represent official countries that meet criteria." What is the criteria?

It's alright if you don't.

Nope. I didn't go to PFAL '77. I did go to Ball State, though, with Fellow Laborers, to work on some event. Maybe a limb meeting. That would have been about the same year. Or, maybe at ROA. I just don't recall the exact situation.

Sounds like the poor guy is warming up for an opera performance. "Me, Me, Me" What is it with these cats and their letters that drag on from here to next Thursday? Say whatcha gotta say and give it a rest, already!

If you are a senior, you probably remember THIS "senior". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AaIDmiFXmo

I don't recall ever seeing the video, "Changed" and, yet, I distinctly remember VPW saying, "That's how we get 'em into The Way Ministry" almost word-for-word, including the sly little chuckle. I wish I could remember where, other than "Changed" I heard him say this. Then again, maybe I actually saw the video and don't remember. Here's the link to The Writing Machine: http://www.thewritingmachine.net/

The idea here, I think, is that people started mimicking everything Wierwille did, right down to his gestures, facial expressions and quirky pronunciations. -----That's Riiiiiight!

Hello, Aurion7 Welcome to GSC. You can click on "Members" at the top and it will take you to a directory. Click on the A's. You will find him on page 3. From there, you can click on his name and send him a PM (private message).

Oh, I don't know. He's fairly well known in this house.

Just a wild guess-----If it's not a contraction and it's not possessive, does it need an apostrophe? Why not "Seminars for Seniors"?

It's not my thread, but thanks. I don't remember if the Gary Allen materials were "required" or "recommended" in FLO.

Maybe he just said, "Wow! That smarts!" (With an air of gravity, of course)

Oh, I can just hear VP saying something like this.-------followed by, "You'll just have to trust me on this."

I don't know. Sounds a bit like TWI was back in the early 1970's. We met in parks, bars, basements or any other place that was available. We also met quite often spontaneously without any pre-planning.

I wouldn't even go as far as saying he was teaching "The Word". What he was "teaching" was his own private, twisted philosophy with a Biblical veneer to feign credibility..

YEAH!!!! We have a winner!! All You Need Is Love-----The Beatles

Did you notice one of the required reading books was "How to enjoy the Bible" If you've been paying attention you would have noticed that the requirements constantly changed. In fact, when I took Keys to Research live in 1974, we were told to buy "How To--"in the bookstore but to only read the parts that agreed with PFAL.---"The rest is off." I don't really care how many women he screwed Would you feel differently if your sister or mother or wife had been one of them? And it's not only the women he, himself, abused but the women who were abused by his proteges as well. or what he plagiarized. You should. It's illegal, unethical and speaks loudly about the sinister side of his character. Look closely at how, in introducing this "sermon", he leads you to assume he is the author. He could have easily given a tip-of-the-hat to Oral Roberts. no one else thought you were worth reaching. That's a mighty big presumption on your part. what are you doing now? Well, I'm NOT wasting my time building a defense for a substance abusing, sexual predator who thought he was above the laws of the land. I probably signed up 5 people for the class because of those teachings and I'm proud I did. Have you actually spent any time examining any of the discussions of the materials offered here, such as "Actual Errors in PFAL"?

There's nothing you can do that can't be done. Nothing you can sing that can't be sung. Nothing you can say but you can learn how to play the game. It's easy.

I don't think it's so much about doctrines (4 crucified, dechomai/lambano, etc.) as it is about the kind of crazy lifestyle we lived.

Willie said they have wings. That's good enough for me!

Actually, it changed to "G.O.D. spells Gaaawd."

Well, bless your little old beauuuuuuutiful heart!! (I get your point---totally.)

Isn't God supposed to be omnipresent? Look for him somewhere other than the Bible, someplace other than the church or books about religion. Look for him in a sunset or the changing seasons. Listen for Him in a songbird's melody or a child's laughter. Drink in the flavor of crisp autumn air or inhale the fragrance of newly mowed hay. Feel His presence in the soft texture of a newborn's skin. Look for him by yourself, independently, without someone pointing you to the place they think you might find Him. Look for Him.

Here's my theory. I think that The Way was a scam from the very beginning. Wierwille, over a period of several years, logically, systematically and methodically built an organization that was essentially an MLM hiding behind a religious facade. In my opinion, Wierwille was fully aware of the true nature of the business. But, in later years, I think he may have actually come to believe the organization was really what he had been purporting it to be. Maybe his delusions were the result of chronic alcohol abuse. Maybe he suffered from late stage syphilis. Maybe there was some pathological abnormality, such as a brain tumor, causing his irrational behavior. Or maybe something entirely different, such as mental illness, was the cause. I simply don't know. If I had allowed myself to consider these issues with a logical and independent approach, I might not have fallen into the "likemindedness" trap that was so vital to the success of The Way. Shame on me.