waysider

It may be difficult for Bol. to understand parts of this because he was born into The Way. There was no choice for him in the matter. Most of us, on the other hand, elected to join. We had to be sold a bill of goods before we bought into the con. Just a thought.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/magazine/11punk-t.html "The oldest of five, son of a union drywaller, Driscoll was raised Roman Catholic in a rough neighborhood on the outskirts of Seattle. In high school, he met a pretty blond pastor’s daughter named — providentially — Grace. She gave him his first Bible. He read voraciously and was born again at 19. “God talked to me,” Driscoll says. “He told me to marry Grace, preach the Bible, to plant churches and train men.” He married Grace (with whom he now has five children) and, at 25, founded Mars Hill."

Here's your link, WG. http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages...0,00.html?imw=Y

What don't you buy, Mr B.?

Microwaving plastic. Teflon Melamine

Refer to the SNAPPING and Stockholm Syndrome threads.

Ironic, isn't it? Moving tapes across state lines has suddenly taken on a criminal importance, yet, when the subject of transporting human beings across state lines, for the purpose of debauchery (a federal crime under The Mann Act of 1910) was raised, it was glossed over. Go figure. :blink:

Just then I realized I'd drifted off into a daydream. Reality came crashing in around me as----------

Ha!---Hadn't thought of that! We're in a new administration, The Age of "We Be Gone Now."

-----Ben E. King

A most excellent replay, Sir George. Carry on.

Exiled now, you travel inward, Flames engulf your throne. Puppets hang in effigy, While someone casts a stone. A lonely queen has cuckold you. A princely sword's been drawn. The noble blood once spilled for you will wear your crown at dawn.

Now, see, you guys just don't get. These aren't just any old books, these are The Holy Grail, lost since Paul was in knee pants. for these were the days of PLAF--------------- For yea verily, it came to pass that in the end days of the class of Leonard, a mighty wind did roar throughout the land of the corn-ites and Gawd parted wide the covers of the holy silly-bus and breathed the gift of PLAF into the very pages. And Gawd said, from this day forward shall the children of the Land of New Knockwurst be known as PLAFilites and unto their childrens' childrens' children shall there be more children.

Just like a ghost you've been hauntin' my dreams So I'll propose on Halloween.

I believe the answer is "yes". Take, for example, the way he kept revising his books to try to make the plagiarism less obvious. That takes a conscious and deliberate effort. It demonstrates that he was cognizant of his deception.

Before he had a following, it would best be described as an intent to deceive. I believe the intent to deceive existed long before he was able to generate enough interest to amass a following.

I don't think the followers are a factor in the question, which was whether or not Wierwille's deceptions were deliberate.

In a little cafe just the other side of the border---

The Tulsa snowstorm was a blatant lie. Wierwille confirmed that he knew it was by later inventing a new version to cover his tracks.

Yes

His deliberate falsehoods and deceptions would seem to indicate otherwise.

It might be why some people, who were never (or minimally) subjected to the isolation that was built into the various TWI programs, never seem to really "get it".

COOL! One less vial of poison out on the street. :lol:

Shambala----3 Dog Night

Cristo Redentor--------David "Fathead" Newman