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I'm afraid Maynard G. Krebs took that secret to the grave with him. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maynard_G._Krebs Maynard G. Krebs (the G. stood for Walter) was the "beatnik" sidekick of the title character in the U.S. television sitcom The Many Loves of Dobie Gillis (1959-1963). The Krebs character, portrayed by actor Bob Denver, began as a stereotypical beatnik, with a goatee, "hip" (slang) usage, and a generally unkempt, bohemian appearance, studiously avoiding anything resembling work, which he seemed to regard as the ultimate four-letter word. Whenever the word was mentioned, even in a line like "That would work," he would jump with fear, yelping, "Work?!" He served as a foil to the well-groomed, well-dressed, straitlaced Dobie, and the contrast between the two friends provided much of the humor of the series. Gradually, he became less of the stereotypical beatnik and more a free soul who did his own thing - including collecting tinfoil or petrified frogs, seeing the old Endicott Building get torn down and seeing the movie The Monster that Devoured Cleveland. In one episode, he invited Dobie to accompany him to a double-feature in which the film was shown with its sequel, Son of the Monster that Devoured Cleveland. Maynard might be described as the prototype of the late-1960s hippie. Many of the later episodes centered around Maynard, with Dobie more of an observer, but always as narrator. The series lasted four years (1959-1963), but its popularity extended into the 1980s as stations like Nick at Nite rebroadcast it for new generations. The Caper At The Bijou http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KauVRmbULhg...feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=719WDvxoTlE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E1yRu_Logs...feature=related h

Instructor= Glorified "go-fer" and chair stringer.

Exactly! It's not REALLY about the purity of PFAL at all. PFAL is just just a song and dance routine in the big show. A subplot in a convoluted play, designed to divert attention away from the main theme. A vehicle to deliver the real message of wierwille's supposed "mystic" status. A magician's device to divert attention away from the mechanics of the illusion. Watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat!

It no longer belongs to the wierwille family. It belongs to the corporation.

Personally, I think it was wierwille's back-handed way of calling his critics fools.

Is The Way Ministry the same organization as The Way International or The Way or even, simply, The Ministry? Did you cross all your "t"s and dot all your "i"s? Did you spell all your words correctly and use proper syntax? Did you use any metaphors instead of "straight talk? Is there a difference between the collated and uncollated studies in abundant living? Did The Ministry begin on a Tuesday or a Thursday? Are there 73, not 74 or 72, witnesses who will submit notarized testimony? Were the gas pumps regular or high test? Was the wind blowing from the east or from the west? What was the wind chill? Did they measure wind chill in 1942? None of it is really about PFAL or a snowstorm or a quest for The Truth or a concern for "accuracy and integrity". No, it's about creating a smokescreen of dedication to some noble cause that never really existed. Maybe there's a vicarious undercurrent It's about exalting a demon to hero status. It's about excusing his misdeeds and calloused abuses. It's about desperately groping for any lifeline that might be used to pull a monster from a cesspool of depravity. It's like placing a band aid on a festering, rotting wound and hoping no one will notice the awful stench. Snowstorm? No snowstorm? It doesn't really matter. It can't change the debacle that's been buried in its drifts for all these years. The snow is melting.

The Monster That Devoured Cleveland It's playing down at The Bijou.

Probably because they are playing the part of the women in the "Soup" video. http://www.clusterflock.org/2009/01/the-re...is-the-key.html

Probably has something to do with all the commercial interruptions.

Mike I used to feel sorry for you in a strange kind of way. A seemingly misguided soul pitching a product that is desperately flawed. Still, it's your choice to believe what you want and I can respect that. Or so I thought. But then I had a revelation of my own ( the dictionary-definition kind, not the snowstorm variety.) It was while I observed how you posted on the CF&S thread. I saw how you came out of the comfort zone of PFAL and spun your twisted logic to try to defend a class that couldn't possibly have been God-Breathed and really had nothing to do with your pro-PFAL arguments. It hasn't really been about PFAL at all, has it? That's just a smokescreen to mask what really amounts to a massive effort to exonerate Wierwille. Were you part of his "inner circle"? Or, did you, perhaps, unsuccessfully aspire to be part of his "inner circle"? How long have you known about his misdeeds? Twenty years, thirty years? Before there was a Waydale or GSC? Do you think if you can exonerate him you can experience that exoneration vicariously? He's not worth defending. His ministry and snowstorm were a hoax

Being a former FLO, I can relate to more of that than I really want to.

I find myself wondering how "making it your own" fit with "likemindedness".

Of course, there was George Carlin. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Carlin And don't forget the impact that Lenny Bruce had. http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/F...ruce/bruce.html Incidentally, neither claimed to represent God or offer marriage and sex advise for Christians.

To all I extend my sincere apology for injecting undue controversy to this forum. The link I posted did not belong on this thread. I regret my lapse in judgment. waysider

Only if she throws in a free copy of The Secret. <_<

Eroticism aside, what benefit was supposed to be derived by showing several differently shaped breasts and penises and making smarmy comments about them? Sure, I know that body parts are shown in sex ed. but I really doubt the instructors make comments like "aren't they gorgeous?" and "now that's a dandy!" (Paraphrased comments), especially to kids as young as 11 and 13 years old. This class had no business being presented as Biblical research and teaching.

Wierwille came of age in rural America during The Great Depression. I personally think a lot of his attitudes and practices regarding women and marriage were gleaned from his personal experiences during his formative years, not from any study of the scriptures or some supposed Divine connection. And, since he was the lead dog in the TWI pack, the other simply fell in step. Just my opinion.

Content: Nudity, foreplay, afterglow, genitalia (both male and female) He even had photos of different shaped penises. And lots of aside comments like "aren't her breasts just beeeeautiful?" and "isn't that gorgeous?" Those probably aren't exact quotes. Pretty darn close, though. I'm sure there are others here who remember the asides as well. R or X Rating: By today's standards, they would probably be R though I think in the early 1970s they would have been considered X (was there a rating system in place back then?). Certainly not appropriate for students as young as 13 years old. Yes, there were many students that young. One poster even stated he was 11 when he took the class. Wierwille rationalized this by saying---and I think this is a quote----"What better place to learn this stuff than in the family?" How someone could defend this drivel by implying it's part of some great knowledge that hadn't been known since the first century is beyond my comprehension. Unless, perhaps, they too had been part of wierwille's secret little club and feel a need to exonerate him in order to vicariously exonerate themselves.

Would you be more likely to believe it if you heard first hand testimony from his victims? There is plenty of that here. I highly recommend the GSC radio episodes listed on the home page. You might also want to look at "Actual Errors In PFAL". Personally, I don't believe God ever revealed ANYTHING to him., especially in light of what we now know about how his hallmark works were plagiarized, in many cases, word for word. He didn't even bother to change the names of the fictitious characters (Maggie Muggins, Snowball Pete, etc.) that he uses in PFAL, a class that he stole from BG Leonard, and others. His "revelations" regarding conspiracy theories in the mid 70s came from propaganda he accessed directly from white supremacy groups and Liberty Lobby. The man was a fraud. It's a startling realization to be faced with after putting so much value in what he supposedly represented. I, for one, definitely would not compare his life to Stephen, Paul or Jesus Christ.

Oh, sure I can see why it would seem that way just looking at it with your 5 senses.

Remember when they went from hardbound to paperback? I wonder what the spiritual significance of that was.

I think "bum's rush" might better describe it. :D