waysider

QUOTE (waysider @ Feb 6 2009, 08:45 AM) * Wierwille wasn't fundamentally all that different from the fraudulent psychic mediums and mentalists of his day. Except, instead of claiming to be channeling the spirit of dearly departed Aunt Mildred, he claimed to be channeling the spirit of God Almighty, himself. God, after all, tends to lend a bit more credibility than dear Aunt Mildred. Frame57 replied: Serious? He never ever ever claimed that. That is a fabrication. In fact his view of the holy spirit was quite the opposite of how most Pentecostals view it as channeling. He argued against the mainstream because no body gets possessed by the holy spirit. He side with leonard in that the manifestations of holy spirit are "God given abilities.." Plain and simple. Dude! Where do get this stuff or do just make it up? ************** The Way---Living in Love page 178 "I was praying. And I told Father outright that He could have the whole thing, unless there were genuine answers that I would never have to back up on. "And that's when He spoke to me audibly, just like I'm talking to you now. He said He would teach me the Word as it had not been known since the first century if I would teach it to others. "Well, I nearly flew off my chair. I couldn't believe that God would talk to me." He shakes his head slowly smilng. "It's just too fantastic. People won't believe it. But He spoke to me just as plainly as I'm talking now to you." ************************ You introduced the "possessed" element. It was not in my original quote. (I didn't compare him to The Pentecostals, either.)

What was Jesus Christ's "only rule for faith and practice" ? This ought to be easy------just give a scripture reference and be done with it.

Here's one my sister-in-law made recently for a family gathering. Very tasty and surprisingly easy. CHERRY DUMP CAKE 1 lg. can crushed pineapple 1 can cherry pie filling 1 pkg. yellow cake mix 1 (3 1/2 oz.) can flaked coconut 1 c. pecans, chopped 2 sticks butter, melted Dump pineapple, including juice, into a 9 x 13 inch pan. Spread evenly. Spread the cherry pie filling over the pineapple. Spread DRY cake mix evenly over all. Then sprinkle coconut and nuts over that. Pour melted butter over all. Bake 1 hour in 325 degree oven. Serve with whipped cream.

I never saw a response to this question. Might also be interesting to note that not everyone who posts here is in America.

First there was Apple, next there was Blackberry, now there's-------------Pomegranade

Love Potion #9-------------The Searchers

Then peace will guide the planets And love will steer the stars.

Was Jim Jones ever convicted of his crimes at Jonestown? (He was an American.)

That makes a lot more sense.

"He was a mean man."

It might sit there like a diamond but you'll sit there like a duck.

HERE is the back of the new Lincoln penny.

As long as they still have red drapes, things will probably be OK (I'm believing for it.)

Isn't that essencially what Wierwille did before he broke away from his denomination?

I remember W@tk!ns from FLO. (He was FLO3 ) He and the Mrs. were house leaders their second year. He was in charge of prison outreach for Ohio and she was in charge of childrens fellowships for Ohio. They got lots and lots of preferential treatment and really knew how to milk the system. There was a lot of resentment of them by the FLO4s because, while the W@tk!ns were treated like royalty, the rest of us were treated like serfs. I'm not a bit surprised to learn of the "double dipping". There are other FLO here who may agree or disagree with that assessment. I'm just stating my personal opinion. Sorry---Guess that doesn't have anything to do with CA.

LCM must have lost sight of one of the most critical bits of information he needed to make such a move.------It was all a scam to start with. VPW, on the other hand, was quite aware of that when he "fired" the first corps.

It's an Elephant Graveyard. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant%27s_graveyard Elephants, by the way, live in matriarchal societies.

"I did not go to Woodstock----------I might not go again." Alex Bevan doing the John Bassett tune, Hessler Street.

Buying favors from God. Is it really any more complicated than that?

Maybe it's just me. Sometimes I see a post that's written almost entirely in one color ink, such as blue, and my mind wants to pass it right by. Kinda like a bad wreck on the freeway that I really have no desire to even glance at. I guess these old eyes just don't want to be bothered with the strain these days.

Buster B Jones

This is why, on the "WOW--Success" thread, I said that I felt like the WOW program was a failure. It didn't create a core base of long term "investors". Wierwille's actions clearly demonstrate that he was keenly aware of where to place his financial priorities. He started teaching the tithe at a very early stage of the ministry's inception. That's why I think it was a scam from day-one and not just an honest effort that went astray. I honestly don't think he lost any sleep worrying what might happen when he was gone.

Pond I'm not quite sure what you mean by this: I think if each individual can not control their own thoughts what happens next? what or who does then? waysider speaks about mental illness being a issue well I think many of these very real problems begin with not being able to redirect their thoughts even as a child never learning how to self calm find peace in chaos etc.. no not blaming the parents but the chemical imbalance has to come from some where and it isn't a birth defect as if a person has the inability to manufacture the chemicals it is the imbalance is shown after most often many years of issues within the mind. the cause and effect is not straight forward if you will. Are you suggesting that people cause themselves to suffer from depression by virtue of uncontrolled thoughts? Certainly it's true that people can become depressed when they find themselves in overwhelming circumstances. This is called "situational depression". However, when the offending situation is removed, the depression will usually dissipate. On the other hand, there are people who suffer from depression that doesn't seem to be related to any specific situation or conditions. There is strong evidence that such people may have a genetic disposition to the condition. It's a disease that lies below the surface, waiting to rear its head. Here's an analogy that may help. Suppose you get chickenpox as a child. Chickenpox is caused by a virus. In due time, you recover completely from the chickenpox but the virus that caused it remains in your body. It goes into a dormant state. Later in life, for some unknown reason, that virus may decide to awaken and manifest itself as shingles. Your mental state may indeed adversely contribute to your susceptibility. It is known that stress can act as a trigger for shingles. Now, the analogy that I'm drawing here is that some people may be genetically predisposed to developing clinical depression just as a person who has had chickenpox is predisposed to developing shingles. With depression, this is especially true if the two generations before them were afflicted with it. That doesn't necessarily mean it will absolutely affect them. However, if certain conditions present themselves, the disease may decide to rear its ugly head. No one is really sure what those conditions are but they seem to be directly related to certain chemical imbalances in the brain. Perhaps stress serves to intensify those imbalances. But the point is, similar to the way a dormant virus causes shingles, the conditions that predispose a person to depression may also be lying dormant and, in fact, may already be present at birth.

A lot of the music from the 1950s "borrowed" from a common format. You can't, however, just slap some words on and pretend you wrote it.

Back in "the good old days" (nyuk, nyuk, nyuk), people who were moving up the leadership ladder had a tendency to mimic VP's idiosyncrasies, such as his quirky pronunciations, exaggerated facial expressions and machismo posturing. In essence, they became mini-VPs. Whether they did this intentionally or not is a whole 'nother kettle of fish-sticks. I'm not singling out any particular individual in this observation. On some sort of subconscious level, I think we automatically accepted them as good guys by virtue of similarity. Of course, at that time, we associated similarity with VP as a good thing. There was a guy in Cleveland (Bill Mc) who had a style that was the antithesis of VP's. People came in droves to hear him speak because of the message he conveyed, not because he was charismatic. (because he wasn't) So I guess what I'm saying is that sometimes you have to distinguish between the song itself and the arrangement to evaluate things in perspective. A terrible song can sound great with a good arrangement and the inverse is true as well.